• 主题:Morty Question For The Subreddit Does This Sub Prefer Ada O
  • Mindfulness: observing ones thoughts and emotions. You pay attention to the things you do. "wherever you are, BE there" actually be there and feel your existence.

    ADA: observing all sensory inputs. This is noticing all of the small details in your life. Noises, colours, tastes, textures. You want to pay attention at all times, an overload of sensory inputs.

    Which do you prefer?

    Have you been practicing one or the other?

    How helpful have these been in increasing or getting lucid dreams?    
    I ask this question because I just want to get a view on what this subreddit views as the dominant technique. I know different things will work for different people.

    For me, I practised ADA for about a month with no real benefits. Then I started mindfulness and have had vivid, long, and much more lucid dreams.  
    I would say both. I've been practicing both, with a lot of practice. And it seem it works pretty well. (I just got a DILD today where I knew I were dreaming, before RC'ing)  
    Well, maybe becuz the sign that was pretty off. It was cars smashing into each other, non stop.  
    ADA has a lot of momentum on LD forums, but I think mindfulness is far superior.   I don't think this sub goes one way or another, there are proponents in both camps.

    I've been working on mindfulness for several years now.   When I'm in my good dreaming groove (sufficiently rested, not stressed, etc.), most of the night's dreams after the first sleep cycle now are incredibly vivid, present (like I'm really there), even "alternate life" level of experiences, indistinguishable in many ways from waking life memories.  

    ADA is intense observation, mindfulness is self-awareness.   Self-awareness *is* lucidity.   One of the stated goals of mindfulness is to train yourself to recognize the truth of your experiences from moment to moment.   That's perfect for lucid dreaming (and lucid living while awake)!    Translating these experiences into lucid dreams (for me at least) requires the extra ingredient of  intent, and having a current set of lucid goals that I'm really excited about.

    It's not a quick or easy path.   Building high self-awareness takes time and dedication, you're changing the way your brain works.    But it's well worth it.  
    That's awesome haha...  So you would say that they are equally beneficial?  
    I completely agree with you on every point. Mindfulness is the better way to go.  
    I have only really tried ADA, but it does have benefits - paying more attention to sensory inputs when awake allows for much quicker stabilisation of a dream by basically focusing on ADA when you become lucid, and forcing your brain to provide sensations from all the extremities you direct your attention to.

    I didn't find it helped me to actually get lucid in the first place though.  
    Any good sources on where to learn the method of it? Preferably with as little spiritualism as possible.  
    I recommend the mindfulness sources that come from the (at least somewhat) spiritual traditions.   You take what makes sense and can skip the stuff that doesn't.   I've seen at least one "scientific" mindfulness book and found it dry and seemingly without basis.  It was trying really hard to find nothing spiritual about mindfulness, almost going to contortions (IMO) to avoid it, and it seemed just artificial and totally without merit to me.   I'm not a Buddhist but can appreciate their traditions.   I would think that even the "non-spiritual" would find value in their writings because they're very much focused on the individual working to form their own transformation.

    I like "Mindfulness In Plain English," "Wherever You Go, There You Are: Mindfulness Meditation In Everyday Life" (I think these would mostly satisfy your request).  I also really like Andrew Holecek's "Dream Yoga: Illuminating Your Life Through Lucid Dreaming and the Tibetan Yogas of Sleep," particularly because it connects directly with lucid dreaming.   But it may have too much Buddhism for you.   I think it's still worth a read, filtering out that stuff if you like, this book is chock full of really important revelations about mindfulness and lucidity.  (As is "The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep".   There are several passages there that are transformational.)

    edit: fundamentally, mindfulness is learning to pay attention to yourself and your experiences.    Through meditation (seated or otherwise) practices you strive to exist with a still mind, so that the inner chatter fades away, so you can see clearly to the truth of your experiences, and can choose your reactions/behavior, rather than being ruled by your reactions.

    My LDing practice catch-phrase is "Pay attention, reflect, recall."  Pay attention to all life experiences (waking or dreaming), reflect upon them (while you're having the experience and later when recalling them), and practice recalling them: recall your day's experiences in the evening, and recall your dream experiences in the morning after waking.   So it's a holistic approach that involves a constant type of behavior, rather than trying to live one way during the day and another way at night.     Build your own practice around what works for you, as long as it includes these fundamental principles.  
    Totally agree, but now when I have a lucid dream they are pre stabilized and super vivid  
    Wow! How do you use mindfulness to do so? What do you do?  
    I practise mindfulness throughout the day, and I also do mindfulness meditation before bed.  
    ADA is completely useless. Mindfulness works to some degree. Both are not very effective methods as far as lucid dream induction technique goes. You can achieve much more frequent LDs via other more direct methods, and in contrary to common belief, ADA/mindfulness has NO lasting effect. With reduced level of intentions to lucid dreaming their effect will diminish very quickly over time. They are also much harder to maintain over long period of time (I'm just saying this on behalf of average users). In all, the effort you have to spend to make these methods to "somewhat" work is very high, while the result will always be lacking. As for increasing vividness of dreams, I don't know if it can be proven. Even if it actually does, same result can be more easily achieved via dream journaling or cartography.

    IMO, a beginner is much better served to go with combinations of WBTB and other more direct methods such as FILD, MILD, DELD (Michael Radguda's Indirect Methods are even more superior) or SSILD.  
    Why do you say they have no lasting effect? What if my intentions don't decrease?  
    Meaning -- it's not a do it once and works for the rest of your life kind of magic, as commonly perceived by users. If you develop this kind of practice into a lifestyle then it's probably a different story, but even then it's way too much effort as a mean to trigger frequent lucid dreams. Besides, keeping intentions on a fixed subject for a prolonged period is always difficult, generally speaking.  
    Let me clarify it a little more. With this kind of method you have to perform them everyday for the effect, if any, to last. This if employed solely as a mean to induce LDs they are not way too much work. Of course if you think it's something that has other benefits then by all means do them. My opinion on these methods are solely based on the context of lucid dreaming.  
    Well mindfulness isn't just beneficial for lucid dreams! There is so many more benefits  
    Oh I replied to your other comment addressing this exactly lol  
    2 practises of both would be of most benefit!    
    Not everybody shares your opinions and assertions.  The only proof I need is in the context of my own practice, and in seeing the effectiveness begin to work in people whom I advise.    Mindfulness is indeed not a quick or easy path, but for those looking not just for once-in-a-while LDs, but transforming into a lucid person who is aware both awake and in dreams on a regular basis.    

    The effect of mindfulness on dream recall is dramatic and I personally experienced it over the course of just a few months.    There's no need to prove it, and probably no way to prove it, all we have is just anecdotes, including for all the other *ILDs you mention.

    And BTW, meditation is scientifically proven to physically change the brain, specifically in the areas that seem to be required for lucid dreaming (frontal cortex I believe is the location).    Since you claim that lucid dreaming is entirely physiological, (which I do not believe, it is one aspect, but not the only aspect) I'd think that would have some sway with you.