Introduction

A few months ago I helped a fairly large group of people to learn how to induce lucid dreams and out-of-body-experiences. We started with many traditional methods and received mixed results. While I am able to induce OBEs and LDs at will, I find it difficult to pass my experiences to them. The traditional methods require too much conscious efforts and improvisation, and they are not all that effective to begin with, often laden with mysticism and misconception. We needed a simpler, more direct approach.

By analyzing my own routines and the successful cases of my students, I developed a simple recipe -- a set of exercises that can be easily practiced without requiring lots of mental efforts and fin-esse. The result has been promising. Many students were able to experience LDs or OBEs at much higher frequencies. Some people have even learned to induce the experiences at will, in as little as two months.

The Routines  

1. Lay flat on your back, take a few deep breaths. With your eyes closed, repeat the following procedures, for 10-20 seconds each:

a) Observe the blackness behind the eyes. Do this intently, with the expectation that you will start seeing hypnagogic images.

b) Listen to the noises in your head. Again, intend to hear humming, buzzing, or hissing sounds.
c) Attempt to move part of your body (hand, foot, fingers, etc.) without using any muscles. Do not visually imagine this movement; rather, you should imagine yourself feeling the sensation of the movements.

2. Cycle through the above procedures for at least 4 times.

The above are essentially warm-ups. You should do them with the intention that you will generate hypnagogic illusions, but chances are you will never feel anything in reality. Do not let this discourage you. You should finish the required 4 cycles diligently. However, as you do it, do not focus so much as to wake yourself up. Perform the steps slowly, allow yourself to get immersed into your sleep. Random thoughts will start to enter your mind, and you may even at times momentarily lose consciousness. You will find yourself becoming slower, even getting lost in the process. All that is good! Just make sure you pull back from the random thoughts and resume from where you left. DO NOT do it so quickly. Try to stay fully awake and clear! If you finish the cycles in two minutes then they are not going to be useful at all.

3. Turn your body to find a more comfortable position and allow yourself to fall asleep quickly. Let go everything, and do not even think about lucid dreaming!

4. As you fall asleep, occasionally glance the blackness behind your eyes. Be relaxed and do not stare. Try not to move your eye muscles at all. When you begin slipping into your dreams, you will notice random thoughts popping up in your head. Do not restrain them. The occasionally glance should be able to keep them on a loose leash.

The Result

When successfully executed, you may experience the following:

You fall asleep, but then suddenly wake up with a strange sensation all over your body. It is difficult to describe, but when it happens you will know. This is when you are ready to experience an OBE.Your random thoughts materializes into a dream, with you being fully aware.A false awakening. This can happen a lot with this exercise. Therefore, you should remember to always perform dream checks no matter how convinced you are.During the warm-up phase, you see hypnagogic images, hear buzzing sounds, or genuinely feel the movements of your body without using muscles. If this happens, you can simply forget about the rest of the steps, and instead try to amplify the sensations. For the images, try to allow it to become more vivid, to the point it finally wraps around you and develop it into a dream scene; for the sounds, try to increase its volume; and for the movement, you should try to increase its range.

When to Practice
DO NOT do this as the first thing you go to sleep. This is a common mistake with novices. You are simply wasting your time! You should NEVER do this exercise without at least 4 hours of sleep under your belt.

I recommend doing the exercises after 6 hours of sleep, or combining it with WBTB for best results. If you normally wake up naturally at night, you can also take advantage of these natural awakenings, and do the exercise multiple times per night.

Conclusion

Please keep in mind -- inducing LDs and OBEs is by no means an easy task. Therefore you should not give up too easily. It is possible that you may not experience anything at all with your early attempts. Do not be discouraged. Keep at it and you WILL see results. And should you have any questions please do not hesitate to post them here. Good luck to you all!  

Ok you have explained it well but like Origami says this method is already in the WILD section, not sure if you have seen it , if it's not there it's definatley somewhere on this site..not exactly like yours but more aless the same but like I said you explained it well  

First of all, I did not call this a "new technique"; rather, I carefully chose the word "recipe" to describe what it is.  Second, I'm not a newbie. You can also find me as "ion" on this forum.

I understand there are many WILD techniques and tutorials. While I cannot claim to have seen them all, I can confidently say I've seen and experimented with most of them. As I said, this is a recipe, not a "technique". If people follow the steps carefully they will see good results, without requiring them to improvise. Same ingredients do not always make the same dish. I knew many people would simply dismiss it, thinking there is nothing new; what you don't realize is that the secret recipes do not always rely on secret ingredients. There are many subtle differences between this recipe and the others. If you dismiss it too quickly then you will never notice.

This recipe has been practiced by hundreds of people, both experienced and new, and the results are very good. If you can already induce LDs and OBEs with 100% success rate like me, then by no means please skip this. However, if you can't, then I suggest you not to dismiss it too lightly. This has helped hundreds of people, it might just help you.  

Originally Posted by Origami:
No, he joined today, instantly posted that thread, did nothing else and hasn't been online since. This isn't some newbie, it's like some kind of weird trolling or spam or something.

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I carefully wrote the text, spent hours to make sure I got it right. To develope the recipe we experimented with hundreds of people and spent countless hours. And you call that spam without carefully evaluating the content. I find that very disheartening.  

Originally Posted by Darkmatters:
Ok, now that you've responded several times it's clear you're not spamming or anything like that. However, Origami was making what seemed like totally correct assumptions based on a few facts.. namely like he said, it's a brand new account and the method is so similar to techniques already well-known. Plus the fact that you seem unfamiliar with forum policy concerning making multiple posts in a row and having multiple accounts adds up to puzzling. I'm not trying to be negative, just trying to explain why people would think that.

But now I hope people can get on to discussing the technique itself rather than the circumstances surrounding its posting. It does sounds like a good method, and similar in many ways to what I use. I'm glad you mentioned toward the end that it's to be done after at least 4 hour's sleep... I thought you had forgotten to mention that.

Anyway, good post! Welcome back to DV!
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The reason that I'm switching to a brand new name is because I want this recipe to be credited solely under this user name, which I have been using on another LD forum with more than ten thousand users. This recipe has been in circulation among these people for quite some time now, and has become very popular due to the somewhat "unexpected" effectiveness -- yes in the beginning many were skeptical also and dismissed it as yet another WILD tutorial.

The initial hostility I've received so far from the above posts really was depressing... I agree with you and hope people will start focusing on evaluating the recipe instead. Better yet, I hope people will actually try it and not just read it.  

Originally Posted by Darkmatters:
Due to the unfortunate way this thread started, you might want to contact a moderator and ask about getting it deleted so you can start a fresh one, and also see about getting your old user account deleted as well. You're not allowed to have multiples.

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The other account "ion" has some interesting posts under the belt. It will be a pity to delete them, even though I have no intention to use it anymore. If the forum moderator sees this thread and my accounts as inappropriate, then they can just go ahead delete them. I'm simply trying to share an exciting new discovery, hoping it would help many others; but I'm not motivated to deal with unjust criticism and bureaucracy.  

Originally Posted by Solarflare:
multiple accounts= ban
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Looks like some of us are more concerned with policies than anything else.  

Originally Posted by CosmicIron:
Looks like some of us are more concerned with policies than anything else.
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im just saying  

Originally Posted by Solarflare:
im just saying
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Okay.... Don't blame you.  

Ikr!  

Originally Posted by Mancon:
I'm pretty sure all your posts and threads from ion will stay. Just your account will get deleted
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I'm okay with that. Actually I'm okay even if they do get deleted. I'm not the one at loss... Just hoping people would stop nagging at this issue and focus on the content of this post. Again, they won't know what they are missing if they don't at least give this a try, and I'm not the one at loss. Hundreds of people already succeeded with method, and unlike many other methods, they had consistant sucesses, repeatedly. I don't know how many people can WILD at 100% success rate on this forum, but I know many of my friends have achieved that in as little as two months.  

Originally Posted by Origami:
Ok, right, let's get all this straight now-

I'm sorry for calling you spam or whatever, but you have to admit creating a second account and insta posting some new super successful recipe (which has to yet to have any backing other than what you say, for all we know only you did this and it worked) wasn't the best way to start off.

You know you can't have two accounts, and will have one deleted, etc etc

If you could re-post this topic with a better intro as your new self, we all would be happy to read it then.

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*shoves her dirty hand in origami's mouth*  Shh....

Ok so i tried this last night and got to the "find a better position and fall quickly asleep" part. And i got stuck in the half-sleep. I don't know if you know what i mean ( i made a thread about it called something like "half-dreams"). I was basically stuck in this all-gray half-sleep world where i can only slightly interact with my main DC and from there it's super hard to get to full dream mode.  

Originally Posted by Origami
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You know you can't have two accounts, and will have one deleted, etc etc
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both accounts get banned  

Hey hey, the only fighting I tolerate around here is if it's over me.  

Hey Cosmic, like I said..this may be easier to understand for others than some of the other techniques..some newbies here may think all WILD techniques are all the same when in fact they are not..there are different ways to go about it and I appreciate you adding your way, I shall certainly try it even though I usually get there by myself but I still like to try things out and see how easy or hard the techniques are..this is a valid piece of information and thank you  

Originally Posted by Sassafrax:
*shoves her dirty hand in origami's mouth*  Shh....

Ok so i tried this last night and got to the "find a better position and fall quickly asleep" part. And i got stuck in the half-sleep. I don't know if you know what i mean ( i made a thread about it called something like "half-dreams"). I was basically stuck in this all-gray half-sleep world where i can only slightly interact with my main DC and from there it's super hard to get to full dream mode.

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First, thank you for at least giving the recipe a try... sigh.  It is not uncommon that you experience this half-sleep thing while doing the exercise. There are several possible causes:

- Your mind is not letting go, so you never enter the dream completely. Sometimes when this happens it feels more like day dreaming. Random thoughts pop up all the time, and some may turn into dreams briefly, but do not feel real at all -- usually third person perspective or being narrated by you. When this happens, you should try to fall asleep ASAP instead of hanging onto your last string of consciousness. Chances are if you do fall asleep, your consciousness will come back soon after you enter a real dream; or you may experience a false awakening.

- You are in a prolonged false awakening state. Basically you think you are awake, lying on the bed and practicing; but in reality you have already fallen asleep. If you find yourself lying there for a long time, you should repeat the first and second steps in the recipe. By cycling through the watch-hear-move cycle, you are further pushed toward the state of phase entrance. Meantime, they serve as a detector -- if you are already in a false awakening, then cycling these techniques will likely generate results. For example, you may suddenly find your hands moving freely in a weightless fashion. Congrats! You are experiencing an OBE!

- You are stuck in a non-REM period of your sleep cycle. This can happen due to waking up earlier in the night and start doing the exercise without getting enough sleep. REMs come more frequently and become longer toward the end of our sleep. Even though we can experience OBE/LD without REM, those experiences outside of the REMs are hardly desirable.

Here are some suggestions:

- The best time to practice is after doing a morning WBTB.
- Do NOT be afraid of falling asleep. Keep in mind that none of the good things will happen if you don't at least fall asleep once  

- If you find yourself staying awake for too long, then try repeating step 1 and 2 of the recipe (the cycling technique).

- Develop the habit of performing the cycling technique at least a couple of times upon any awakenings during the sleep.

Hope that helps!  

Originally Posted by CosmicIron:
First, thank you for at least giving the recipe a try... sigh.  It is not uncommon that you experience this half-sleep thing while doing the exercise. There are several possible causes:

- Your mind is not letting go, so you never enter the dream completely. Sometimes when this happens it feels more like day dreaming. Random thoughts pop up all the time, and some may turn into dreams briefly, but do not feel real at all -- usually third person perspective or being narrated by you. When this happens, you should try to fall asleep ASAP instead of hanging onto your last string of consciousness. Chances are if you do fall asleep, your consciousness will come back soon after you enter a real dream; or you may experience a false awakening.

- You are in a prolonged false awakening state. Basically you think you are awake, lying on the bed and practicing; but in reality you have already fallen asleep. If you find yourself lying there for a long time, you should repeat the first and second steps in the recipe. By cycling through the watch-hear-move cycle, you are further pushed toward the state of phase entrance. Meantime, they serve as a detector -- if you are already in a false awakening, then cycling these techniques will likely generate results. For example, you may suddenly find your hands moving freely in a weightless fashion. Congrats! You are experiencing an OBE!

- You are stuck in a non-REM period of your sleep cycle. This can happen due to waking up earlier in the night and start doing the exercise without getting enough sleep. REMs come more frequently and become longer toward the end of our sleep. Even though we can experience OBE/LD without REM, those experiences outside of the REMs are hardly desirable.

Here are some suggestions:

- The best time to practice is after doing a morning WBTB.
- Do NOT be afraid of falling asleep. Keep in mind that none of the good things will happen if you don't at least fall asleep once  

- If you find yourself staying awake for too long, then try repeating step 1 and 2 of the recipe (the cycling technique).

- Develop the habit of performing the cycling technique at least a couple of times upon any awakenings during the sleep.

Hope that helps!
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Thanks, i'll just try to relax and do the cycles again. I know for pretty certain that it's the third issue: stuck in a non-rem sleep period of the cycle. Thanks for your advice.  

Wow, nice one That, I love the sarcasm! I also appreciate the vote for moderator, very nice of you.

*psst, in case you didn't pick up on it, the entire above sentence is sarcasm*

Also, misunderstandings were made early on in this thread, which were then smoothed out through good natured conversation. Nobody likes you wading in up on your high horse dishing out names and other links.

*psst, since you're not too good with sarcasm, I'm taking the time to tell you that the sentence above is not sarcasm*

also

>mfw none of your links actually go to any threads.
Slow clap time methinks, everyone post some clapping hands for That.
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Good job.  

Originally Posted by bigphil:
Thanks for taking your time to post this method. I've been looking for a better understanding on how I can achieve OBE. Btw when you're having a LD how do you switch to OBE and vice-versa?

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You are welcome. IMO, OBE is the same thing as a LD, except that you start out from your bed, with the surroundings being similar to what you think the reality is. However, in most cases, the surroundings are quite different from the reality. Some old schools like to tell you that you are experiencing parallel reality, but I beg to differ. Consider this: you are traveling and staying in your hotel room. You practice at night and have an OBE. Now which bed do you get up from? Shouldn't it be the one from the hotel? However, chances are you are still getting up from the bed at home, with your spouse sleeping next to you! Why is that? Simple, your subconscious mind hasn't adapted to the new environment yet, so it cannot produce the correct illusion for you! Why do the old schools swear by the parallel reality thing? I guess maybe they just don't travel often, LOL.

When we practice WILD, we often end up having an OBE. This is because there is very little gap between the states of being unconscious and conscious. The subconscious mind is very sneaky. It knows that you are probably aware of the fact that you never got out of the bed. Thus, the most logical thing to do in order to fool you is to create the illusion that you are still lying in your bed. That is, a false awakening. Yes, OBE is basically a false awakening.

Having said all that, let's get back to your question. How do we turn a LD into an OBE? Again, the old schools will tell you to focus on your real body. However, if you do that it's almost guaranteed that you will wake up for real. Let's not do that. Instead, I suggest you do this – while in LD, close your eyes, and let yourself fall to the ground on your back. This will often produce the effect of a false awakening, which is, as I said earlier, essentially the same thing as an OBE.  

Originally Posted by bigphil:
Thanks for the explanation. So what you're saying is basically when I have a false awakening I'm having an OBE. Since my room would be an illusion wouldn't it mean that I'd still be dreaming whenever I start moving around?

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Yes, the room is an illusion, just as in a lucid dream. This usually becomes more obvious if you step outside, as you will likely step into an all new environment. People who practice the old school methods do tend to see more realistic surroundings, and that's because their trainings have programmed their subconscious mind to do so -- you see what you believe during a trance. It's also the case if you exercise visualizations a lot.  

Originally Posted by bigphil:
But if the room were an illusion, how will I transfer into reality since everything I'd be doing in the dream would be fake? I mean isn't OBE taken place in the normal realm and not in a dream?

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No one has been able to prove that OBE occurs in Normal realm yet. You may have very realistic OBE experience but in the end it's still just an illusion. Some claim you can enter different dimensions by adjusting the vibrations or the pitch of the noises you hear during the initial phase of an OBE. whether or not that works is still being debated. I will leave the truth for you to find out yourself!  

Originally Posted by Kilpikonna:
I agree with CosmicIron - good to see other people do realize as well, that what people call OBE is mostly a LD. I have been practicing "Astral projection" or OBE techniques and then realized when I got successful, that I am in a dream environment - even when the place looked mostly like my real bedroom, house and garden. Robert Bruce just calls the little changes "reality shifts" and says it is the "real time zone" (RTZ) anyway. The realization, that I had WILDs and therefore finding actually useful information on this forum here, gave me a big boost.

Still I believe there is a private dream area and a public "astral area", but as that is for the "beyond dreaming", I won't go into that here.

Back to topic: I like your recipe. I will apply it when I wake up during the night. So far I had no LD during nights, which I am working on now.

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Traditional astral projection techniques are usually very convoluted, but in the end your projection always works the same way as WILD. The complex trainings essentially just cultivate/program the subconscious mind to adapt to a particular spiritual/religious paradigm. As a result, lots of disciplines are injected into a practitioner's subconscious; thus, people tend to have more “realistic” and “stable” experiences during projection, in comparison to lucid dreaming.  

Having said all that, I'm not dismissing LDs/OBEs as pure illusions and nothing more. Through practice, people indeed can achieve a higher state of mind, which opens a portal that leads to all kind of wonders and miracles. Of course, as you said in your post, that is beyond the scope of this post, and therefore we will not get into that.  

Originally Posted by bigphil:
Where can I go to read up on that topic on this website?
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Honestly I do not know. I have personally done that, but I'm not sure if this web site has dedicated area to discuss these topics.  

CosmicIron - thanks for sharing your knowledge, i going to try this method tonight and will be practicing it for at least 1 month as i believe it will deliver me good results.