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  • *]Immediately perform stabilization techniques upon becoming lucid.
    [*]Immediately break away from previous dream plot and current dream environment after performing stabilization techniques.

    [*]Always direct your focus to external objects and events.  Never think about your physical body.
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    All great points, my main problems come from forgetting to do these things.[*]Resist rational thoughts.
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    I'm sorry, as useful as the rest of your guide is, this is simply awful advice. Lucidity is the introduction of rationality into a dream, resisting rational thought is paramount to brushing off lucidity you've worked so hard to achieve. Personally I find lack of awareness to be a much greater barrier in achieving goals than dream scene stability. Why should rational thoughts be avoided?[*]Do not talk to yourself.

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    Verbal commands are very useful in stabilising, everything you say in a dream is said to yourself.[*]Do not fly all the time.  Walking is recommended mean to travel.

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    Again misguided. Where is the use of walking in an environment where physical distance exists only as mental construct of the individual's expectation? Any location is only as far away as an act of intent. Taking this into account, flying is also unintuitive as it presupposes the need for travelling physical distance. In dreams there is only mental distance. I find walking to be very risky, in walking there is no A-B ('I am here and I want to arrive there'), each step requires effort, you're constantly apart of the scene around you that is separating you from your desired destination, I find walking to be a minefield of possible distractions and lost lucidity. Not constructive for stability.[*]Treat small tasks as immediate goals.  For example, walking down that stair should be considered a "goal"; touching and examine that object should be considered a "goal".

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    This is good advice, a beginner lucid dreamer should continuously establish new goals to avoid being drawn back into a non-lucid plot  
    Originally Posted by nina:
    Actually, it IS possible, and I've done it, many times. I have had nights where I spent up to 4 hours at a time lucid dreaming. This is possible physiologically because REM is not the ONLY time that we dream. People can also dream in NREM, the dreams are just no where near as vivid or dreamlike as REM, but there have been many times when I have been lucid dreaming for a whole REM period, then enter a period of NREM, and continue to dream, and during NREM I seem to have a lot of OBE-type dreams, but I stay completely lucid and eventually enter another REM period, which usually comes quickly (I think I am somehow forcing my brain into REM by focusing on forming a dream and stimulating certain areas of my brain). The longest I have done this for is 4 hours, and I've done it several times.

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    Did you feel any fatigue after that, did it take effort? I'm wondering if it's possible to have fully restful sleep after 4 hours of lucid dreaming. On focusing on areas of the brain, that reminds me that in a recent lucid dream I felt the dream collapsing and when I lost visuals focused on fast forward motion, like my whole body was being propelled froward. A new dream scene formed but during that motion I felt a sort of mechanical scraping in the centre of my brain, I'm not sure if it was a hallucination or an actual physiological response in my sleeping brain.  
    Originally Posted by nina:
    I've never felt fatigue after a night of lucid dreaming. The only times I've ever felt fatigued from LDing were while napping in the afternoon, where I would have what I used to call marathon lucid naps and chain a dozen or so LDs over the course of 1.5 - 2 hours. It would become incredibly exhausting after the 2 hour mark, and I would usually choose to just stop and allow myself to wake up at that point because I'm too tired to continue sleeping, an odd notion, I realize. When I would finally wake up, sometimes I was so exhausted that I would literally have to roll out of bed. I believe that the reason I would become so exhausted during those naps, was because my body would often times enter and exit SP in between some of the LDs, so I would be going in and out of SP/vibrational state several times within just an hour or so, and I assume this might be physically taxing on the body's systems in some way. At least, that's the only explanation I can think of. But when I spend hours LDing at night, I usually remain in SP for most of the time, and only enter and exit a few times during natural transitions to and from REM to NREM.

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    You seem to have indirectly achieved the aim of sleep yoga, to remain aware of all stages of sleep, I'd love to get to that level of lucid dreaming some day

    Why don't you make a tutorial on how you WILD and DILD, it would be a great read.
    Yes, that's it exactly, I like how you describe it as fast forward. Basically I focus my attention and my gaze upwards and forward...and it pulls me into a lucid dream much quicker when I do this. It will often feel as though I am accelerating forward. I can actually feel when the area of activation in my brain changes, from the middle central area, to the front. I assume you're able to sense this due to a lack of external stimuli, which greatly tunes you into any internal changes, as well as the magnitude of synchronous neural firing during these physiological changes. The neural oscillations usually start for me in the middle central area, and when I focus forward, the oscillations clearly move to a position in my frontal lobe. At this point, the dream starts, so I assume both of these regions of the brain must be important in sleep/lucidity.

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    It's interesting that you think that the sensations are due to becoming in tune with internal stimuli as that seems consistent with my experiences of sleep paralysis, during DEILD my brain seems to go haywire with chaotic whirring, buzzing and bleeping, it sounds like an old-fashioned dialup connection  If I try to remain aware of the transition to sleep when first going to bed I seem to get a few glimpses of this state, including exploding head syndrome. I've researched EHS and the scientific community seems to be at loss as to what it is, if only more neurologists were oneironauts.  
    Originally Posted by nina:
    Well for me it comes and goes and really just depends on my sleep schedule, so it's not like I can do it every night. I think sometimes I just get lucky.  But I feel like there are already so many WILD/DILD tutorials even just on this forum that I wouldn't be able to add too much new content to make it worth the time it would take to write.

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    I guess I'll see where I stand in 5 years time, I forget that even the most experienced oneironauts started out where I am now at some time.

    Exactly, I describe it very similarly, like a hard drive booting up. Also, I don't know if you've seen this thread before, or even if you've replied, but just in case you missed it, I basically explain my initial discovery of and exact method for using the fast forward thing we are discussing (I don't want to hijack CosmicIron's thread): http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/quickl...43/index3.html

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    Yeah I have read/commented in that thread. I've even experimented with the technique with some tantalising near-successes, but I didn't know as much about the process of WILDing then, maybe I'll return to it and see if I have more success. I hadn't quite linked the activation of 'that area' (the pineal gland? Who knows) with my DEILD experiences, but you've definitely hit on something in attaching the WILDing process to some organ of the brain.

    Also, Exploding Head Syndrome is one of the things I probably hate most in this world. But I have formulated a few theories about what the eff is going on and even managed to stiffle it with a quick fix: http://www.dreamviews.com/f41/violen...lution-120785/  (and I just noticed you "liked" that thread so nevermind! lol)

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    I've never had it severely enough for it to be a problem. ^^;

    Anyway, I think we'd better stop here so we don't derail Cosmic's stablisation thread