主题:Say Good Bye Short LdsAgreed with Sageous.
Plus I find a few problems with some of your techs.
For example, focusing on something external may make the dream seem more real but it will also make the dream body go away for some people and end their lucidity or they won't enjoy it like normal. Even more so since you say rational thought should be avoided... what if someone is having a lucid nightmare? Abandon logic and suffer the lucid instead of ground yourself and evade the nightmare?
Then there is the problem of physical body, I find it that not only it becomes easier to control my own dream body if I am aware of my waking body, but also if I do wake up inducing a DEILD/WILD is very easy because of said awareness.
Uh, the using senses is common stabilization yes. And I said some people, I know some guys who can't go all into full-detail visuals right after the dream start or it will go away.
Not true with logic, why don't you try the lucid nightmare? There is an huge difference between abandoning logic and keeping your mind calm, which seems to be what you are referring to.
Well I don't believe AP to be real, so that point is moot in my case (And yes, I have tried it). Also after some experiments with online people, the eye problem seems to be more placebo than reality for dreams, a lot of people who had never heard of such a thing as dream/waking body could close/open eyes without any problems, but as soon as they read about it opening waking eyes the problem started.
The point is that not only can you start with a fresh mind, but also with the full intent to stabilize and have a longer dream because of REM-chaining.
Also what you said to sageous about hour-lucids, I know a girl who got insomnia problems, so she goes without sleeping for a few days and then the rebound allows for the hour-lucids with ease, it isn't impossible, just not very healthy/normal.
In your OP it seems like you were making sweep statements, which just doesn't works for dreaming just like you pointed out in your last post. I have helped a lot of people too, doesn't means that I am right or wrong though.
Oh, that I know some guys who upon reaching lucidity, must try to NOT use their senses on the dream, even more so visuals or it will go third person and they will have an high chance of losing the dream.
Simply being lucid will tell you its a dream, it won't let you escape fears because you won't go into the logical explanation that it can't harm you since it is a dream and your real body is safe in bed, by what you described.
It is common? The only common trend I see is in forums or blogs, where the teacher tells them what stuff works for them and placebo hits their dream. Really, not me nor anyone I know that were not feed the "feeling your real body in a dream will wake you up" or "closing your eyes will wake you up" stuff don't have a problem with it. Then again, thats just my personal experience.
Also why would you worry about that if you use logic? "My dream is paralyzed in waking, not to worry" seems like a simple thought process to me, no reason to worry or make extra problems there.
Ofc I do, but you said it was impossible, just pointing that with dreams ruling out or making sweep statements never works. Or at least, I haven't seen it work for anything as of yet.
And who said the entire subject was useless? I posted the points I disagree with and explained why, I don't believe that everyone will experience dreams in the same way I do so it isn't useless at all.
And I do think ruling logic out of the dream can be bad for some people, along with the body thingy, especially for those who do the kind of RCs I do, because not only do I stabilize while using it, but estimulate logic and body-awareness while using it and that's how I get most of my lucids, and know the RC works for some others too. But as I said before, that it helps some people doesn't makes me right or wrong, just another lucid dreamer.
Well if you don't agree, post away! We don't get mad at other people for having different views, it is all for the growth of LDing, no? And for the spiritual ones the growth of the spirit too. And who knows, maybe it is actually agreement with misunderstandings?
Ah alright, have some well deserved rest first then.
I liked how the thread was evolving and was really interested in the answers of CosmicIron, if he returns, hope he answers everythign posted, or at least some stuff, the stuff he got to reply to is HUGE lol