主题:Summoning PeopleNo matter how hard I try, I can't seem to bring the people of my choice into my dream.
I'll keep imagining a certain person being around the corner, behind a door in a different room, anywhere. It just won't work.
I know that you need to believe in things to make them work, but when you failed to do it a hundred times, you kinda stop believing :/. It's a vicious circle, I already know it's not going to work thus it's impossible for me to really believe it.
At first I thought it didn't work because it's something that's impossible in real life, but I learned to fly in a matter of minutes and I can put my hand through a wall without trouble (I sometimes use that as my reality check)
Any help?
I haven't had any experience with summoning people myself but I have heard that asking a dream character where the person you wish to summon is can work.
It is not always true that believing you can do something will make it work. Dream powers are like real life skills, they need to be trained and focused. If anyone out there instantly had great dream control, I am suprised. You should approach a new dream power like a normal skill. You do not decide to be a high diver and move straight into backflips off the highest board.
For summoning DC skill I would try something like this. Have your first goal just to see a general type of person in an area that already has DCs. If all the people are black in your dream decide one person in the crowd must be white and look for him. Or, in a school setting, decide some of the students must be cheerleaders and look for them.
I would then move to controlling the flow of DCs. Try to go some where and plan on there being no DCs. Try to find a setting with only female DCs and stuff like that. As your brain develops its summon DC skills you arre working your way up to advanced summon DC skills, such as make DC materialize, change one DC so it becomes DC of your choice, or locate a specific person.
When you have to summon something closing your eyes or maybe going to another room could help... Remember that when you dream you don't have the absolute control, sometimes some DC could obstruct you or ignore your request...Asking clearly the dream itself (not a DC) to show this person (for ex when i will open my eyes "Mary" will be here) can be a good method(at least it works with me ^^)...
I never really interact with other DC's, they're basically puppets. Whenever a DC is in a room and I don't want them around, I pick them up and throw them out of the window.
who are you trying to bring into your dream? usually in my dream i try to get some sex in before i wake haha im a guy -_- and ive been able to lucid dream since i was 8 SOooo what i would do is Go outside, usually my dream start in a house and i ALWays go outside to start my adventure then try to think real fast of a girl i want to bang ( since i think im going to wake up soon) once i picture the chick i run to the first house i see thinking that i will find her in there. and no lie.. EVERY time the female is in there and we end up having sexy time i havent tried thinking of a celebrity yet.. this will be on my list of things to do Tell me more about how you are able to fly and put your hand through the wall .. i cant fly for sh!t as for my reality check i always pinch myself to realize im dreaming and even in my dream before i do something crazy like jump off a roof i pinch myself to make sure its not real life lol
oh and whats a DC im new to this site
DC= Dream Characters and they're not puppets don't understimate them they're part of your subconscius... Try to interact with them and you will probably discover something more interesting and odd than sex...
Originally Posted by Zeal:
I never really interact with other DC's, they're basically puppets. Whenever a DC is in a room and I don't want them around, I pick them up and throw them out of the window.
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oh god i laughed so much..... So, so much more than what i should have!
Like reaching for dream pills in your pocket, you can summon people of your choice the same way. Of course not from the pocket,but from a partially openned door. Jus open a door partially then reach inside to grab someone's hand. Once you feel you have firmly grabbed someone just pull her out. This is a two stage setup so it works much better than the "finding someone behind the corner" technique as that requires you to be affirm on too many things at once.
ima try to do this tonight it sound cool
I've found it to be very difficult to summon specific people. What I can usually do is find random people by searching. I simply walk around until I find someone who interests me.
I summon people by flying in a direction until I find them standing there or whatever. Then, because it's usually I person I summoned to have sex with... well then we bang.
Yes i can summon someone (a guy) that i have a very much connection with spiritually and telepathically. Reason why is because it's been so many years since we last seen each other (15 yrs!) No phone number, no facebook name, nothing. Yet we still have that bond since we last parted, he was my first love, and seems like will always be.
Only way you can summon someone in particular is when there is a great deal of energy between you both, and on my situation it is very .
When i feel or sense he is telepathically communicating or i just feel a need for him to be there, i call to him telepathically and actually meditate in the dream. I know it sounds odd but i have very much experience in controlling dreams.
But when i did this (twice already) he appears and the energy is astounding and i feel tremendous amount of love and positivity! I really really love him unconditionally, and sense the same back.
The reason why i am doing this is because i been having dreams of him a lot without me even summoning him, so it tells me he wants my company in dreams.
I still do wonder about him and where he is, i know he thinks the same, we both do telepathic communications sometimes. I hear, feel, sense, everything he is thinking in dream and not.
true teenage lovers now i am 28.
I had the problem before were I just imagined them right before me. They usually satyed just for a few seconds. When I decided to tell me that it would work because it was a dream, then I summoned them with no problems. My point is to just belive that you can do it, and it will work.
i usually shout their names and they'll reply. Works almost every time. Try that or some passive control.
Yes i can do this too. I imagine or actually try and sense them near.
Originally Posted by Appe96:
I had the problem before were I just imagined them right before me. They usually satyed just for a few seconds. When I decided to tell me that it would work because it was a dream, then I summoned them with no problems. My point is to just belive that you can do it, and it will work.
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Hmm.. Personal advice from my first experience..
I was lucid for a good while, hanging out in my living room with a girl I had interest in and my family.. So after a while I thought.. Man I wouldn't mind engaging in some less than holy acts, so I decided I would go upstairs in my house with the expectation of them not being there when I was back, and what do you know! Let's just say I was able to do something I wanted to do for years but do to certain social boundaries was never able to go through with.. Oh the wonderful tools of your mind!
for me it always worked to shout the person's name while thinking of the last time we met in a dream and walking around into the general direction of that last meetingplace. however, my dream-characters never have any definite face, they sort of shapeshift without shapeshifting. so i really don't care for appearance but only for the dream-character's personality. I do know of a method for summoning a dream-character who does look in a particular way, but it's rather complicated and I didn't try it out enough to judge how effective it is:
find a dream-character who comes close to appearance or personality to whom you seek. move your right arm in front of the body, hand in front of your left hip. the left arm likewise behind your back, so that the left hand is behind your right hip. now create the feling as if you were falling or as if a wind would blow from undrneath. you must feel that wind stroking over your arms and how it gets detoured from its upwards-course by your arms position, imagine this wind spinning around you. this I call the spinning-technique. all this time keep your vision focused on the person you found. through the spinning that person will change shape, with your arms you can control how quickly that change happens. just imagine that in reality the dream-self isn't as fixed in space as you might have thought, try to believe that your dream-self along with the whole world around it was really just spinning with you as center and you did never notice. through the arm position you slightly alter the speed of this spinning, sort of tuning to another frequence of this spinning and thereby see things you didn't ee before because of them spinning by your eyes so quickly that you couldn't focus. this way you will end up elsewhere facing soneone else. then you may walk up to another person and repeat. be careful though, one direction will make you wake up and the other direction will make your dreams become weirder. considering it's a real-life person you probably don't want the dream to become weirder, so waking up is an actual danger.
alternatively you could try spinning around your axis for real, but this way you wont be able to perceive this person you did choose as a close match, the results would then be extremely random.
btw, closing your eyes in a dream is a really really bad idea, many have reported of either being unable to open them again, or of opening them for real and waking up this way. the dream-self simply has no eyelids. just try that: put your hands in front of your face, and you will notice that regardless of hands it isn't getting dark, you can see through your hands. so what good could eyelids do?
Yes i can do this as well, lol and many more great things
Originally Posted by fawnsta:
Hmm.. Personal advice from my first experience..
I was lucid for a good while, hanging out in my living room with a girl I had interest in and my family.. So after a while I thought.. Man I wouldn't mind engaging in some less than holy acts, so I decided I would go upstairs in my house with the expectation of them not being there when I was back, and what do you know! Let's just say I was able to do something I wanted to do for years but do to certain social boundaries was never able to go through with.. Oh the wonderful tools of your mind!
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It also works to whisper the persons name, it worked for me
Originally Posted by gander:
for me it always worked to shout the person's name while thinking of the last time we met in a dream and walking around into the general direction of that last meetingplace. however, my dream-characters never have any definite face, they sort of shapeshift without shapeshifting. so i really don't care for appearance but only for the dream-character's personality. I do know of a method for summoning a dream-character who does look in a particular way, but it's rather complicated and I didn't try it out enough to judge how effective it is:
find a dream-character who comes close to appearance or personality to whom you seek. move your right arm in front of the body, hand in front of your left hip. the left arm likewise behind your back, so that the left hand is behind your right hip. now create the feling as if you were falling or as if a wind would blow from undrneath. you must feel that wind stroking over your arms and how it gets detoured from its upwards-course by your arms position, imagine this wind spinning around you. this I call the spinning-technique. all this time keep your vision focused on the person you found. through the spinning that person will change shape, with your arms you can control how quickly that change happens. just imagine that in reality the dream-self isn't as fixed in space as you might have thought, try to believe that your dream-self along with the whole world around it was really just spinning with you as center and you did never notice. through the arm position you slightly alter the speed of this spinning, sort of tuning to another frequence of this spinning and thereby see things you didn't ee before because of them spinning by your eyes so quickly that you couldn't focus. this way you will end up elsewhere facing soneone else. then you may walk up to another person and repeat. be careful though, one direction will make you wake up and the other direction will make your dreams become weirder. considering it's a real-life person you probably don't want the dream to become weirder, so waking up is an actual danger.
alternatively you could try spinning around your axis for real, but this way you wont be able to perceive this person you did choose as a close match, the results would then be extremely random.
btw, closing your eyes in a dream is a really really bad idea, many have reported of either being unable to open them again, or of opening them for real and waking up this way. the dream-self simply has no eyelids. just try that: put your hands in front of your face, and you will notice that regardless of hands it isn't getting dark, you can see through your hands. so what good could eyelids do?
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Wow
A couple of mornings a go I hipnapop-dreamed that I wanted to meet a specific person. I learned how to do it in a dream school that same night but that dream was never remembered.
I am not much of a dreamer, lucid or otherwise. I am more of a hipnagoger and hipnapoper. My going to sleep (hipagogic) imagery and waking (hypnapopic) imagery is the "thing" with me.
Two mornings ago I woke with me trying to meet someone.
I opened a door in front of me (in my hipnapop). There stood a man in a robe but he was not the one I wanted so I closed the door and opened it again. A different person (maybe Dream Character) stood there but that one wasn't who I wanted either.
I did it again and again wishing to meet who I wanted to meet. I woke up doing this.
Once awake I toyed with the idea of posting it to my dream journal but didn't.
Now I think it has something to do with deep dream knowledge to be found in this and other threads where you guys post, esspecially that new guy gander.
I don't use doors to meet specific person in my dream, either the person appears when i think of them, or i wander to find them. I have a very different dream approach and can use mind control through dream, and telepathic occurances.
Originally Posted by debrajane:
Wow
A couple of mornings a go I hipnapop-dreamed that I wanted to meet a specific person. I learned how to do it in a dream school that same night but that dream was never remembered.
I am not much of a dreamer, lucid or otherwise. I am more of a hipnagoger and hipnapoper. My going to sleep (hipagogic) imagery and waking (hypnapopic) imagery is the "thing" with me.
Two mornings ago I woke with me trying to meet someone.
I opened a door in front of me (in my hipnapop). There stood a man in a robe but he was not the one I wanted so I closed the door and opened it again. A different person (maybe Dream Character) stood there but that one wasn't who I wanted either.
I did it again and again wishing to meet who I wanted to meet. I woke up doing this.
Once awake I toyed with the idea of posting it to my dream journal but didn't.
Now I think it has something to do with deep dream knowledge to be found in this and other threads where you guys post, esspecially that new guy gander.
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Yes hathor
Though I've been "at it" forever, I hardly ever remember dreams let alone get lucid. But I recon there are many different "species" of dreamer's. Most dream-species not even been named yet.
Species as different as the Goldfish and the Bluewhale, Horse and Eagle, Blind Mole who lives in a hole and frog, dragonfly, penguin and so on and so forth.
Me, I get spontainious "precog-sync's" (hipnogogic imagery of precognative synchronicities) a lot.
I interpret that waking thingy that happened 2 mornings ago as a heads-up about finding this thread and you very interesting guys.
Originally Posted by hathor28:
I don't use doors to meet specific person in my dream, either the person appears when i think of them, or i wander to find them. I have a very different dream approach and can use mind control through dream, and telepathic occurances.
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summoning people isn't easy, as our demands are difficult to fulfill even through reality. summon a weapon and you will be content with two fingers killing off dream-characters, but summon your friend and you will complain about the golden glitter on that person's cheeks. no matter if you use the friend's name or if you visualize the exact face, it all falls into the cathegory of reality-check: someone once tatooed letters onto the real hands, and in the dreams he looked at them to check if it's a dream. if the word those letters did compose wasn't right, it was a dream. so if even the inability to see our own limbs serve as confirmation that it's a dream, how can one ever expect to see some particular person in any realistic way? it doesn't matter if that other person actually is the real one within a shared dream or just a figment of imagination, such complex visuals our mind isn't capable of creating. if we had a shared dream of the other person, that person's body would still be in bed at the time of our dream, so it definitely isn't that real body we would see in the shared dream...
I am content when the dream-character has the personality I desire, I don't care how dream-characters look like. opening doors or walking around or wispering names is somewhat ill-directed effort in my opinion, I'd rather try to provoke a revealing reaction from dream-characters. you know, seeking a prudent person one would better get naked and watch who is exhibiting the est reaction -- not that I ever did do that. walking around is a good idea, although time-consuming. but even better is to obtain the full attitude of a hunter sneaking around to get some prey. an interesting dream-experiment is to do that with the goal of learning the phone-number or address of the "victims". maybe you'll meet real people this way?
hypnagogic and such is all nice and maybe really more useful for fortune-telling than the actual dreams, but I think one is better off putting them into the same pot as OBE and sleep-paralysis-dreams. at least in my experience there exists a correlation between what I feel in SP and what I feel upon waking up or falling asleep. it's as if the "me" in SP is a different "person" than the "me" who is awake and thereby continues to perceive normally in parallel to my waken perception. on the other hand one should be careful with attributing too much importance into those visions, the world simply is too damn-huge to draw ever little image one sees into a context that's focused on oneself. how do you know you see your own fortune and not someone elses? is there some higher entity who doesn't have anything else to do all day long than to distribute visions in accordance with the people's usual self-centered interpretation-habits? is there anyone who guarrantees that our interpretation of our precognitive visions is the only true and most useful one?
I have learned another method for summoning people: say "locata" then the first name and the last name, all that as if it were a meaningless spell. it wont summon the actual person, not even any sentient being at all, but it will create a cloud of "dream-matter" that takes the shape and behaviour of the desired person. it will give one the feeling as if the actual person were there, although invisible. I never managed to use that as a starting point for further efforts to summon the actual person. but it's a neat trick to get what one wants.
Okay, how about you telling us one of your dream experiences then? IMO everyone is different and one thing can work better than another. Yes i do try to walk around and find someone in my thoughts at the time, but i take breaks and stop and in between listen to what my dream or surroundings is telling me, i don't go around as if i am hunting something, i actually control how i go around my dreams, so i won't look like a psycho and people get scared. All i know is that being in dreams, i treat it as if it is real life. That's the most best advice anyone can give for LDs.
Originally Posted by gander:
summoning people isn't easy, as our demands are difficult to fulfill even through reality. summon a weapon and you will be content with two fingers killing off dream-characters, but summon your friend and you will complain about the golden glitter on that person's cheeks. no matter if you use the friend's name or if you visualize the exact face, it all falls into the cathegory of reality-check: someone once tatooed letters onto the real hands, and in the dreams he looked at them to check if it's a dream. if the word those letters did compose wasn't right, it was a dream. so if even the inability to see our own limbs serve as confirmation that it's a dream, how can one ever expect to see some particular person in any realistic way? it doesn't matter if that other person actually is the real one within a shared dream or just a figment of imagination, such complex visuals our mind isn't capable of creating. if we had a shared dream of the other person, that person's body would still be in bed at the time of our dream, so it definitely isn't that real body we would see in the shared dream...
I am content when the dream-character has the personality I desire, I don't care how dream-characters look like. opening doors or walking around or wispering names is somewhat ill-directed effort in my opinion, I'd rather try to provoke a revealing reaction from dream-characters. you know, seeking a prudent person one would better get naked and watch who is exhibiting the est reaction -- not that I ever did do that. walking around is a good idea, although time-consuming. but even better is to obtain the full attitude of a hunter sneaking around to get some prey. an interesting dream-experiment is to do that with the goal of learning the phone-number or address of the "victims". maybe you'll meet real people this way?
hypnagogic and such is all nice and maybe really more useful for fortune-telling than the actual dreams, but I think one is better off putting them into the same pot as OBE and sleep-paralysis-dreams. at least in my experience there exists a correlation between what I feel in SP and what I feel upon waking up or falling asleep. it's as if the "me" in SP is a different "person" than the "me" who is awake and thereby continues to perceive normally in parallel to my waken perception. on the other hand one should be careful with attributing too much importance into those visions, the world simply is too damn-huge to draw ever little image one sees into a context that's focused on oneself. how do you know you see your own fortune and not someone elses? is there some higher entity who doesn't have anything else to do all day long than to distribute visions in accordance with the people's usual self-centered interpretation-habits? is there anyone who guarrantees that our interpretation of our precognitive visions is the only true and most useful one?
I have learned another method for summoning people: say "locata" then the first name and the last name, all that as if it were a meaningless spell. it wont summon the actual person, not even any sentient being at all, but it will create a cloud of "dream-matter" that takes the shape and behaviour of the desired person. it will give one the feeling as if the actual person were there, although invisible. I never managed to use that as a starting point for further efforts to summon the actual person. but it's a neat trick to get what one wants.
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Originally Posted by sivason:
It is not always true that believing you can do something will make it work. Dream powers are like real life skills, they need to be trained and focused. If anyone out there instantly had great dream control, I am suprised. You should approach a new dream power like a normal skill. You do not decide to be a high diver and move straight into backflips off the highest board.
For summoning DC skill I would try something like this. Have your first goal just to see a general type of person in an area that already has DCs. If all the people are black in your dream decide one person in the crowd must be white and look for him. Or, in a school setting, decide some of the students must be cheerleaders and look for them.
I would then move to controlling the flow of DCs. Try to go some where and plan on there being no DCs. Try to find a setting with only female DCs and stuff like that. As your brain develops its summon DC skills you arre working your way up to advanced summon DC skills, such as make DC materialize, change one DC so it becomes DC of your choice, or locate a specific person.
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I came to this thread because I have the same problem lately, and have always struggled with it anyway but this sounds excellent! I will have to try
Originally Posted by Zeal:
No matter how hard I try, I can't seem to bring the people of my choice into my dream.
I'll keep imagining a certain person being around the corner, behind a door in a different room, anywhere. It just won't work.
I know that you need to believe in things to make them work, but when you failed to do it a hundred times, you kinda stop believing :/. It's a vicious circle, I already know it's not going to work thus it's impossible for me to really believe it.
At first I thought it didn't work because it's something that's impossible in real life, but I learned to fly in a matter of minutes and I can put my hand through a wall without trouble (I sometimes use that as my reality check)
Any help?
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I have summoned dream characters if I try for a couple nights, but what I have only ever done once with difficulty is going thru a wall!!!!! so hard!!!!!!!!!!!!
I live in an apt, and whenever I wake up lucid in my bed, I goto the next door in the hallway, or i pick one, which has what I am expecting on the other side. I don't think hard about it, or about specific people, I think about the idea or location where I want to be on the other side. (and yes I guess I expect whoever i'm trying to summon there too i guess, but its more general for me)