主题:What Is The Limit To Time Dilation In A DreamSo obviously you're going to wake up eventually, but imagine if like inception you've managed to spend years in a dream and now suddenly you're awake? That would seriously mess you up.
What do you guys think is the limit to time dilation in a dream and do you think it's possible to ever feel like days/weeks have passed in a dream?
Longest I've heard of was 100 years in a dream.
Adding to this question, if anyone has dreamed in a distorted amount of time, does it actually feel like you have lived longer than the 20 mins spent in REM sleep? Or is it just memory based in the dream, where you live a day and then wake up the next twenty years later, with 20 years of memory instilled in your memory?
It's just an impression of time, imprinted in your dream memory, sort of like a backstory so you can act according to the "script." Dreams have very little continuity and as such the concept of time is very different from the waking life. Inception is just a movie and does not portray dreams accurately. It has a lot of entertainment value but it's not real.
It's very much like what you'd described
Former or latter?
Edit: and if it's the latter, does it feel any less real?
Jesus Christ even if that's a dream, surely the disorientation when you wake up would be so bad there would be some permanent mental damage?
Assuming they're telling the truth about what they experienced, it's hard to interpret what that means, I'm very skeptical that it actually felt like 100 years
It's only less real when one wakes up and that imprinted memory fades
It requires more people to actually experiment before we get solid answers. I believe shared lucid dreams are possible, but there's not enough proficient lucid dreamers that actually know and trust each other enough to share experiences.
I do believe it's possible to extend the duration of a dream. No reason to believe you can't until it's proven otherwise. Closest experience I've had was thinking I skipped ahead a few years, and had flashes of those "memories" in-between. It's weird how your brain can create false memories you'd swear were real, until you wake up.
I know one guy whos been practicing LDing for over 30 years. Said he watched a civilization form and grow. After that he destroyed this persistent world and woke up. He also told me he made a family in this dream and watched his kids grow. I think they were around 5 or 6 when he ended the world.
Idk, have you ever had a dream that felt like hours when you were in it, but after you woke up it felt only like seconds?
Who knows. But it is definitely without a doubt possible. I heard another dream about a guy who lived in times were they still used guillotines, and after a few years he had his head chopped of. He woke up with the head of the head on his neck which made his mind simulate it into his dream. The weird thing was it had only been a couple minutes since he fell asleep. So that mean in those few seconds right before the head of the bed dropped on his neck simulating a guillotine in his dream, his brain formulated a whole story and dilated time to feel like years in the dream.
My guess is that you don't actually "live" 100 years in the dream, you just get like 100 years of backstory/memory.
Time in a dream vs real time is pretty much the same as far as we can tell (going off the experiment where they looked left and right every second in the dream and measured it in the real world). I don't think the whole time dilation thing is real, just an illusion.
I've had the sense that I've been in a dream for years, but it was just a feeling. I felt like I had known someone for 3 years, yet I didn't have any memories except when trying to think about their past. It's created when it's needed, and the rest is assumed to be there.
Kind of like watching a movie, where most of the time is left out and you only see the interesting and important things so you know what's going on. This way the movie can be of an event ning a few years, yet you've just been experiencing parts of it at a regular rate for two hours while feeling like you've been there for the whole story.
Definitely without a doubt? Because you heard someone claim that? Most people have had the experience of your dream incorporating your alarm sound into a story in a split second -- Dumb and Dumber joked about it -- that's not evidence for radical time dilation. Can't rule anything out definitively, but it seems far more likely that your mind is playing tricks on you than you actually experienced 100 years
I think there's something to the concept.
I've been giving this a lot of thought, and dreams are basically your brain simulating some kind of reality. Normally, your brain just generates static during REM sleep, and your conscious mind takes those random lumps of sights, sounds, smells and feelings and just tries to make sense of it all.
I think with enough experience in lucid dreaming, meditation and other similar practices, you can condition the brain to create more cohesive, comprehensible static. While lucid dreaming, it's important to be cognizant of the things that don't make sense. Consciously pointing these things out may be training your brain to avoid doing them in the future. Much in the way we "talk" to our subconscious for MILD, maybe you can train your subconscious to create these elaborate, realistic simulations. I think we can train our subconscious to make more realistic LDs by simply searching out things that don't make sense or don't belong and saying so aloud during your LDs. I haven't had the chance to try this for long, since I've only had the idea recently, but I'm hoping it will enhance lucidity and maybe train my mind to make more immersive dreams.
Anyway, back to the point, I believe the amount of time dilation you can experience is similar to in the waking world. The more focused and engaged you are in what you are doing and the less you are paying attention to the passage of time, the faster time seems to pass, and the more you pay attention to the passage of time the slower, I think the same might be said for the passage of time in our lucid dreams. The more aware you are of the passage of time, the more time you may be able to experience.
Ultimately, I don't think you'd be able to simulate years or months, but maybe a few days at a time.
**TL;DR:** Most of our LDs is static, if you could train your brain to create more dream and less static, then you could get more time dilation.
At one time in high school, we played this stupid game where someone would push on your jugular veins to knock you out, just to see what it felt like.
When I had my turn, I dreamed about living for 3 years, but I was someone else, way back in the 70's, living in a place I'd never physically been (California). I can no longer remember much more than superficial details, but once I woke up, the memories started to fade and they just didn't feel real. It was technically just a delusion, but in the middle of it it seemed super real, so much so I had forgotten my real life. But once I woke up, after a few seconds, I could only really remember "highlights" of that time, then those faded to vague recollections. Now I just remember that the dream started with me in a car that was rolling over and I was pulled out by a paramedic, I lived in a nice house, was married with no kids, drove a convertible, and the dream ended with me crashing into a telephone pole.
Aside from the fact that it's one of the things that inspired me to learn to lucid dream, it hasn't really affected me much.
I had a similar experience, but it was drug induced, sort of...
about 15 years ago my parents were out of for an entire week and left my sister and I at home. I was out of school and working and she was still in high school. We had people over every night and one night we got a bunch of whip its. I always remembered experiencing what seemed like a long period of time during my being passed out which was really only a couple of seconds.
I did one that particular night and literally lived out an entire week in my head while laying there on the bed, probably having convulsions, because, you know...when you're young, it's cool to have drug induced convulsions...right? So anyways, I literally saw an entire week play out. My parents came home and busted us for partying the whole time they were gone. We went places as a family, I continued to go to work.... Shit was crazy. Then I woke up and tried to explain what just happened to everyone and they were like "dude, you hit the whip it, fell back on the bed, started laughing uncontrollably for about 3 seconds and then stopped and sat up and now you're telling us you saw a whole week go by?? Whatever".....
kinda the same as your experience since having someone put you out by clamping your neck gives a very similar feeling to whip its.
Duh, do you really think that I think they experienced a physical 100 years? If that was the case they would most likely be dead. But on some level they actually did experience 100 years, assuming that they are being truthful, time is an illusion anyways. It's based on two external stimuli e.g. the sun and the earth.
I'm talking about the subjective experience of spending 100 years, which is what you seem to be claiming, vs. your brain just giving you the impression after the fact that you spent 100 years. The former would presumably have major psychological effects that could be studied.