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I have tried out Mac and prefer Linux. Ubuntu os OK but I am not a huge unity fan.
There are some other desktops.
The Big Ones: KDE, GNOME 3, Unity.
GNOME 3 and Unity are similar to each other.
I'm using Mate (continuation of GNOME 2). It's been well maintained.
"In other words, the System76 machine with much better specs is less expensive than Apple's."
Business as usual, nothing to see here. What REALLY would have been cool (and would have made Apple stand out) is if they made the screen an OLED. It would instantly humiliate all those PCs with TN panels, on the store shelves and even in advertisements. If Apple is going to charge so much, they should provide the super-fancy hardware to justify it.
I'm using MATE too. It works pretty well indeed.
Really like the plug for System76.com - it's good to see the little guys getting some attention
Aesthetically though, omg, that system76 laptop looks like an ugly piece of shit.
MATE master race here. No joke, I get an additional 2 hours of battery life on my laptop using MATE over GNOME 3, and that's with compositing enabled.
Yeah, I'm sure all those creative pros are going to ditch Adobe and move over to GIMP.
MATE here too. It's not as pretty as elementary, but it's super stable.
You can run ubuntu on a macbook if you want.
Crossover/wine runs photoshop on linux. For other things like 3D, drawing and vectors there are great linux tools for that (blender, krita, inkscape)
OLED screens still have the problem of LEDs fading. Something like the top menu bar on MacOS would be quickly burned into the top of the screen.
> I'm using Mate (continuation of GNOME 2). It's been well maintained.
Which distros are using it?
2017 will be the Year of Linux, no doubt.
Same here. I'm looking into that as well to largely replace Windows 10
There are actually loads of great programs for linux but its a bit hit and miss if the tools you need are good.
I've been a Mac user even through the near bankruptcy days in the mid-late 90's, through Steve's return, the turn around, PPC to intel switch, ect.
My 2014 15" MBPr Quad 2.5Ghz might be my last Mac. Apple is no longer interested in what used to be their core users, it's sad.
Ah yes, the old Photoshop excuse. Been hearing that one for years.
As if **everybody** uses Photoshop to begin with...
Most of the gamut of people who will be buying those new macs will be. I'm not bashing Linux (excuse the pun), but the article is bullshit in terms of jumping ship to Linux. Windows on the other hand..
Don't blame mac users for wanting to jump ship. Hell I applaud those that do it but that unboxing video in the link was horrible.
I'm amazed the guy didn't dislocate his shoulder while jerking himself off by not cutting himself with his really sharp knife while lamenting that if he did it would get him even more youtube hits. He had to be using a go pro so he could be constantly rubbing one out while marveling at the art of the inside of the box.
I had to shut that shit off after that. That laptop has some sexy specs though. Too bad that douchebag couldn't keep it together for a decent unboxing.
> Most of the gamut of people who will be buying those new macs will be.
The article doesn't even mention Photoshop at all, as I suspect the Photoshop users being a tiny minority to begin with.
Nope, the *Photoshop excuse* is the same old tired anti-Linux cliché I've been hearing about for years now, even from people I suspect who don't even use Photoshop to begin with.
>Windows on the other hand..
Sure, if they trust Windows 10. Even many traditional Windows users don't even trust Windows 10.
>2017 will be the Year of Linux, no doubt.
Probably not, but I'll settle for 10 to 15% and I think that's realistic.
But keep up with the old excuses. They are quite nostalgic.
lol @ "hurt and disgusted by lack of SD slot" what fucking babies. like a tiny SD reader/usb hub is a big deal.
Same situation, but absolutely hyped for my incoming maxed out 15" MBP. To each their own!
I just got an Acer Swift 3 for a family member for $500. Running Windows 7 of course but it has a all metal case, is very lightweight and looks very much like a Macbook. For that prices it was a great deal.
Get elementary OS if you like Mac. It has an interface akin to it.
I've used an Apple laptop since the PowerBook G4 and I'm on my fifth iPhone since the original I got at launch. I'm buying a Surface Book this week and I'm hoping MS puts out a sweet Surface phone next year. If not, I'll probably go with a Pixel for my next phone. I feel like Apple doesn't give a fuck about content creators anymore and MS is being brilliant by embracing us. I'll miss OS X, but I can always fire up a Linux VM on my Surface Book if I need to do something with a *nix system.
I didn't bother with the video.
The major distros, (Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Fedora, Debian). Fedora, OpenSUSE and Ubuntu offer preinstalled desktops if you want it pre-built instead of a manual download through the software centre.
It's just a stupid oversight for a "Pro" computer to not have an SD card slot. Carrying a USB-C to SD card adapter is just one more fucking thing you have to keep up with in your kit. Busy professionals shouldn't have to worry about that kind of shit. SD card slots have been standard on MBPs since at least the aluminum unibody model.
The same is true for the lack of a single USB 3 slot. Sure, USB-C is most likely the future, but it's going to be years before everyone is finished converting.
Starting with the Retina MBP, the laptops have been thinner than anyone needs out of a high performance laptop. They sacrificed user-replaceable hard drives and RAM, features that actually matter to professionals, for the sake of being thinner. I've carried a Mac laptop since the PowerBook G4 and I don't see myself ever buying another Mac.
Thanks for the tip. I have been using XFCE since I dislike where Gnome has gone (v3). I'll have to look into MATE. Thx.
I crossed over into Apple territory when Vista happened. I have lots of macs and have also been buying the surface pros since they started coming out too.
Don't get me wrong. The surfaces are fine devices and have gotten better with each iteration. But I'm not ready to switch back to windows for three reasons:
1. windows is just worse than OSX. Cosmetically and behaviourally. I know the second part here might be more opinion than fact but I've had a lot less problems with OSX than I have with W10
2. OSX is unix baked and I write a lot of software (including iOS in fact) so I'm pretty much tethered to OSX only at this point
3. build quality. High quality windows machines are rare. I would class the SP4 as being a high quality windows machine but still not on par with the quality you know you're getting with an apple product
The Macbook fiasco has really ticked me off at Apple. I'll probably end up staying within their ecosystem but I'll just be using my 2014 rMBP and rImac until 2020 or something before I consider upgrading. I can afford to upgrade as often as I'd like, but just the principle of dropping 5k on a macbook every other year, as opposed to 2k leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.
You're missing his point badly. The kinds of people who buy $3000 MBP notebooks are the type of people who use Photoshop, or Pro Tools, or Premiere, or some other software that doesn't have a good Linux counterpart.
Those users might be a tiny majority of all users, but they're a majority of the people who buy expensive "professional" notebooks. Those people aren't moving to Linux anytime soon because the software isn't there.
Also, widespread Linux is already here. It's on a majority of smart phones. Most people don't care or know any more than they know they've got a Samsung or something like that.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I agree with every points. Mr. Cook has killed the Apple I had loved and evangelized for the past 25 years. I too will stick to the Apple ecosystem for exactly the same reasons you listed, but I no longer love it :(
2014 rMBP isn't even that old....why are you upgrading after only 2 years? You should still have 2 good years left out of that thing at least
How well does it work for HiDPI and multiple monitors? Any improvements lately?
I keep hearing the SD card excuse for hating the Macbook Pro. Dude...hook up your $3000 camera with the damn USB cable (your camera probably came with one) directly to your MacBook. Yeah, you gotta buy a new USB-C to micro-B cable for $10 on Amazon, but what's the big deal. You bought a $3000 camera, so what's $10 for a cable that's objectively better. I understand taking your cards out of the camera in the field when they're full, but when you're at your desk, uploading photos, just hook your camera up to the computer. It's not like you're actively using your camera and while your photos are transferring, the USB port can charge the battery too.
The only reason I have my current 13" rMBP is that it was the best hidpi laptop that was supported under Linux at the time. I will not be getting another one.
You're hyped about a $4,000 laptop with 16GB of RAM, barely 9 hours of battery life, and no USB ports or SD card slot?
Really?
> You're missing his point badly.
On the contrary, I think you are. I was addressing to him the same old tired excuses I've heard for years used by the proprietary usage fanboys. Maybe he should have used a more rational argument like yours instead of resorting to that tired old nonsense.
>The kinds of people who buy $3000 MBP notebooks are the type of people who use Photoshop, or Pro Tools, or Premiere, or some other software that doesn't have a good Linux counterpart.
The article doesn't mention any of that. For people into doing those sorts of things, they would stick with an Apple machine anyway, and I doubt any of those people will jump into buying a System76 machine without checking out what it's capabilities are, beforehand. I assume they're smart enough to do so. Hmm?
No, the article seems to focus more on users that would be one step below that, those in the $2,000 - $2,400 price range and below. And if you bothered to read it, it also said:
>*"Obviously we aren't comparing apples to apples (pun intended). If you absolutely need macOS for certain software or licenses, an Ubuntu machine will not meet your needs. Also, the System76 machine does not have Apple's revolutionary Touch Bar."*
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>Also, widespread Linux is already here. It's on a majority of smart phones.
And this article has nothing to do with phones so once again, it is **you** who've absolutely missed the point badly.
Come back when you've read the article.
I think I've used the SD card slot twice. And it has four USB ports.
People still use SD cards? Aren't those slots rather slow?
I'm with you. I don't think I'll own another new shiny Apple computer. I have high hopes they push tech/performance on the next iPad Pro, but this lackluster MacBook has me worried they aren't concerned with the professional market anymore.
My new digital camera uses SD card. I don't know if there are cameras with any other options?
I'm not going to lie. I'd kill for that battery life on my laptop. I get a measly 5hrs. But hey, getting work done faster is worth charging my laptop a bit more frequently. :p
Hi, Creative Director at a decent sized agency here and heavily involved in the creative agency industry.
Photoshop is the defacto standard in our industry. Other tools are used, yes, but it's very rare to find a photoshop-free team.
I like the forward thinking. IIRC it's rated for 10, but I usually am plugged in somewhere. There are 4 USB ports, and I already have a few USB Type C devices ready to use em, and a nice breakout adapter to dock into that gives me every port I need -- I'll be going from FIVE plugs to one via my 5k LG.
I do branding, UI, UX, photo editing and post, and light web development. My current machine has 16 and quite frankly I doubt I use much more than 8 unless I'm really punishing my machine with 24MP RAW files, even then, I rarely use more than 10GB.
By the time I need 32GB I'm sure they'll be a configuration out that either has fast enough of an SSD that RAM is near meaningless or I'll just go buy the 32GB model and sell the late 2016.