主题:Do Pros Only Use Wild1. Consistency is possible, but WILD working 100% of the time is unlikely for most.
2. All techniques lead to the same goal of LDing, but don't necessarily result in more vivid LDs.
3. This point is both irrelevant, and only a general opinion.
There is no best technique. People find the one that works best for them and stick to it. Also, using all caps in the title is not a good look.
1. If you're good you can have DILDs every night as well.
2. That's only true in the beginning, as your normal dreams get more vivid and you become more familiar with the concept of 'waking up' in a dream, DILDs become as vivid as WILDs.
3. Hardest to master, not hardest to learn. But it always takes effort either to wake up in the night or nap during the day, whereas most DILDs are far less intensive.
Yes! Upvoted! DILD is what im currently trying to master. Ofcourse, I know the path will be hard, but its worth it. :)
Pros? I didn't know you could get paid for this.
Pros use all methods, not just WILD, because the method most appropriate to the moment depends on many factors. WILD for most, even pros, is nowhere near 100%, while DILD methods studiously worked on *can* lead to nearly 100% chances for LDs in a given night if you put in the effort.
WILD is *not* more vivid than other LD entry methods.
WILD is probably the hardest to master in practice, because it requires excellent relaxation ability, and meditative patience, and sensitivity to what is happening, and creativity sometimes for entering a dream if one does not present itself.
Didn't you saw Inception?
Unlike cons, who do pay for it...
gosh if i could pay for a lucid dream....
No method alone can give you 100% success. As for WILD, please keep in mind it's a "type of dream entry", not a particular technique. Therefore we can't really generalize it. That said, most WILD techniques do tend to be difficult and require lots of effort, even for the "pros."
As for DILDs, it's nowhere near 100%. No amount of RCing and ADA will help you accomplish that -- the theories behind these things are false. It's the biggest hype in the field of lucid dreaming. Don't be fooled.
In terms of vividness, unlike the answers you've received so far, DILDs are usually more vivid than WILD. There are reasons behind this. To name a few:
1. DILD usually occurs in R.E.M., which is a period of heightened dream activities. This results in the most vivid dreams. In contrast, it is possible to induce WILD at very early stage of your sleep or R.E.M. In fact it can even be induced without R.E.M. When that happens, you tend to experience very unstable dream scenes, or even dreams that have no sensory inputs.
2. When we first enters a WILD, it is likely that we still possess a pretty high level of lucidity, which can make the dream seem somewhat more real (I wouldn't even call them vivid). That's the reason why some people with limited experience and knowledge of OBEs swear they have entered into some kind of realities. That lucidity, however, usually diminishes very quickly and when that happens it's no different from a normal DILD.
3. WILD often results in OBEs. The dream scene would start with you lying on the bed. This notion that you are sleeping on the bed can be used by your subconscious mind to trick you out of your dreams more easily. With WILD it's a lot easier for us to be kicked out of a dream abruptly. Sometimes the subconscious mind just get lazy and puts you back on your bed and renders a black picture. This is why with WILD we should always perform dream stabilizing techniques and try to move away from the first dream scene as quickly as possible. With DILDs you have none of these problems.
4. Depends on your state of mind and the technique, WILD can sometimes feel more like visualizations. It's almost like watching a movie instead of participating in it. The dreams are not vivid in these states and you are constantly aware of your physical body. Maintaining control during such states can be quite tiring.
DILD? What is it? I can't find it in the subreddit's sidebar.
A Dream Induced Lucid Dream (DILD) is any dream in which you become spontaneously lucid. Your lucidity is prompted by the unreal nature of the dream. You'll consciously recognize that something is out of place, and gain lucidity.
> As for DILDs, it's nowhere near 100%. No amount of RCing and ADA will help you accomplish that -- the theories behind these things are false. It's the biggest hype in the field of lucid dreaming. Don't be fooled.
There are a number of experienced LDers on dreamviews that prove this false. It's not just "RCing and ADA," it is intent, WBTB, (and yes, sometimes SSILD), expectation, super high dream recall, mindfulness, meditation, and developing a reflective, lucid mindset throughout life. It is not a small nor a short path, it is a change of life to a lucid lifestyle. It is working on it every day for years, gradual slow progress. It may not be 100%, but it's like 99.99%, basically, there are some people who can have LDs on just about any night they want to, via DILD, DEILD, and or WILD, or a combination of them, but mostly DILD. Of the three, WILD is the least reliable.
The reason why there are relatively few people like this, is that relatively few people have the desire, vision, and dedication to do what it takes to change their life to become lucid in waking and dreaming.
I beg to differ. It's science. During R.E.M. Sleep the brain is in a suppressed state. All major areas, which are responsible for higher order of consciousness, are turned off. Yes there are a lot of people who claim this and that, but keep in mind there is no better subject than one's own dreams to exaggerate or even downright lie about. Even established authors, throughout history, liked to do this. This is a field filled with lies.
It's true there are people who can have LDs daily, even without intention and practice. But such cases are extremely rare and the reasons are not yet clear.
Achieving daily LDs via techniques is different. Even the DILDs are almost always the result of WBTB combined with something else which wakes up the brain regions.
You can differ all you like, but since your argument is based around saying that "people who disagree with my opinion are all liars," then there's really not much to discuss. The fact is that there are dedicated practitioners who, through years of awareness work, raise their awareness to the point where they can be lucid even despite the physiological changes that take place in sleep. The degree of this suppression, and the degree to which awareness work counters it, is only really visible in the experiences that people publish. You call them all liars, but I do not. That meditation causes dramatic changes in brain structure and frontal lobe size is also documented scientifically.
>If your good at it you can have a lucid dream every night
Yes, but not necessarily having to WILD.
>WILD is more vivid then all the other techniques.
Not necessarily.
>Hardest to master?
Depends entirely on the person.
Your conclusion is wrong. I did not call those who disagree with me the liars. For example, I'm not calling you that. However, there is no denying that when we talk about what we dream, it's very easy for people to exaggerate or lie, internally or not. Those who claim that their daily routines have enabled them to become lucid on a daily basis (even without WBTB) usually can show little evidence of that. Of course, this is not something you can easily show evidence of, to begin with. When it's at least theoretical difficult, if not impossible, shouldn't we at least give it the benefit of doubt?
As for my statement on some of the established writers, I said that based on evidence. For example, if you read lucid dreaming books or books on OBEs and astral projection, you rarely read about "failures." Whether it is failure in induction, or failure to remember, or being tricked by the subconscious... to name a few. Yet these are the most common experiences ANYONE would encounter. Failing to mention them and even deliberately disguising them, to me, is a bad sign.
It's about the same thing, you calling those who claim to be able to be lucid just about any time they want to after years of work. I'm not talking about authors trying to sell books, I'm talking about multi-year (and multi-decade in some cases) practitioners, normal people without anything to prove who participate on forums and you can get to know them personally over the course of years. Also for established practitioners like the Tibetan monks who practice dream yoga, (they are by the way the original, on- purpose lucid dreamers), through meditation and awareness work they can over the course of years approach becoming lucid in waking and dreaming (and in sleeping as well) more or less continuously.
Giving the benefit of the doubt goes both ways. Just because something is difficult, and most people do not choose to pursue it, does not mean that it can not be done, and that it is within the reach of most people, if they make the decision to make it a priority.
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Did I say "anyone who disagrees with me is a liar" or even imply something like that? And where did you read that I call "those who claim they can lucid dream anytime are liars?" And even if I said them, which I didn't, how are they "the same thing?"
It's easy to say "I can lucid dream any time" and no one can say you are lying or not. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not saying everyone are liars, but it's something we should be cautious about. This is particularly important for beginners because they can be easily misled and they are prone to hypes. I myself can induce LDs at will but I don't expect people to believe me. It's fine if they think I'm lying and I think it's probably better for them to be cautious anyway.
> And where did you read that I call "those who claim they can lucid dream anytime are liars?"
It was the implication in every response. It's odd that you yourself can induce LDs at will, yet write that
> As for DILDs, it's nowhere near 100%. No amount of RCing and ADA will help you accomplish that -- the theories behind these things are false. It's the biggest hype in the field of lucid dreaming. Don't be fooled.
Just because DILD day practice (and as I wrote, it's a lot more than "RCing and ADA") apparently doesn't work for *you* doesn't mean it can't work for anybody. SSILD doesn't do anything for me but I'm not out claiming it's a massive hype and a fraud. I may believe it works for reasons different than what you claim, but that's not really relevant, because I know people for whom it is clearly effective.
Likewise, I know people for whom DILD day practice (and many other things) are also effective. Not hype, not false, just consistent, hard work and effort and never giving up.
The numbers of people at this high level (who participate publicly where they're visible at least) are indeed not great in number, because it takes a dedication that few people are willing to make.
Now we are talking about "implications?" LOL. End of discussion.
Not everyone can do WILDs.
My most vivid dreams came from DILDs, induced by the dream itself when already asleep.
MY first lucid dream was a DILD, not as a result of WBTB, and happened randomly, after learning about lucid dreams.
For the record.
Random, unintentional LDs do happen. I first had them when I was 7.
> Did I say "anyone who disagrees with me is a liar" or even imply something like that?
Yes, you did! LOL all you want, but it's plain to see in the exchange, if you can't see that, then indeed it is the end of the discussion.
CI: As for DILDs, it's nowhere near 100%. No amount of RCing and ADA will help you accomplish that -- the theories behind these things are false. It's the biggest hype in the field of lucid dreaming. Don't be fooled.
DH: This is not true, as I know people who are counter examples
CI: there are a lot of people who claim this and that, but keep in mind there is no better subject than one's own dreams to exaggerate or even downright lie about. Even established authors, throughout history, liked to do this. This is a field filled with lies.
QED.
yeah....no. not the same ;)
I mastered DILD and now I can't turn it off. Send help.
IDontGetTheJoke? Or is it a joke? wat.