• 主题:Sustainable, Long Term Dild Technique
  • Hello all.  As of now, I've been LDing for a year - doing the typical beginner cycle of quitting and beginning over and over.  As of late I've been trying to be more consistent in my efforts.  This year I've had about 45 LDs of varying degrees of lucidity. This month I've had 7.  Most were low lucidity,  though.

    My dilemma: obviously this is a lifelong discipline.  My current strategy involves a lot of day work and night work.  Affirmations, visualizations, mindfulness and the like during the day and during my wbtb sessions (I typically wake 3 times per night naturally).  

    While I feel this will help and be successful as long as I keep it up, it doesn't seem sustainable.   I tend to think about LDing a lot during the day to help induce DILDs. But I can't imagine thinking about LDing all day for the rest of my life.  I'm constantly visualizing, being mindful of myself and my state during the day and affirming during the day.  I'm trying to get consistent results then back off a little at a time until a balance is struck, but it's hard to know if my techniques are actually working.  I mean, I'm getting more LDs than before, so I guess it is working.  Though my recent LDs - my last 10 or so - have been lack luster and disappointing.  I didn't feel like myself in them.  To grade them, they were Cs and Ds.

    I'm rambling now.  I'm wondering if you veteran LDers have found a good balance between consistent DILD LDs and minimal daytime work.   I'm not looking for an "easy way", I just want a sustainable, balanced technique.


    Edit: Also I keep a dream journal and recall 4 dreams per night on average.  I sleep between 7.5 and 8 hours per night.    
    You are correct. None of these are sustainable and their effort to result ratio is way too high. In fact most of these DILD techniques are based on false assumptions and have no real value. It's a pity that people won't admit it and keep misleading the beginners with this.

    If you want something more sustainable I think you should practice the more on demand methods. Not the typical WILD techniques though. They are also misguided and won't give you good results. IMO, a combination of SSILD and DEILD will give you the most consistent result and once mastered, will take minimal effort to execute. In addition to being a very effective technique on its own, SSILD is very effective in conditioning your mind/body for a "phase" to happen. I'm using Michael Radguda's term here because I'd like to recommend his variation of DEILD which he calls the Indirect Techniques. These techniques will allow you to catch the many awakenings during your sleep and turn them into lucid dreams. When you combine them with SSILD, which causes not only more awakenings, but also more stable trances during these awakenings, you will have a much higher chance to become lucid. This combination, if mastered, can literally give you 100% success rate with minimal effort.  
    But if DILD can't be reliable, how do you explain Laberge's mastery of it?  He could become lucid on demand.  
    I'm not saying DILD is unreliable, just the typical techniques used to induce them. Laberge's technique is MILD, which utilizes WBTB and is performed while sleeping, not during the day. You said it yourself very well -- it's "on-demand." Whereas stuff like ADA tries to sell you the idea that it can help you gain a high level self-consciousness and awareness within your dreams and thus make LDs happen automatically. That, is total BS.  
    Ah, I understand you now.  In regards to my OP and current technique,  it involves both day work and night work like wbtb and micro awakenings.  I think I'm just going to continue doing what I'm doing.