You make reference to a 'phase' experience.  I only know of one other well known practitioner that uses this term, Mr. Michael Raduga, and I believe he coined the term.  Is your method an extension of his discoveries please?  

Firstly, in my second post, post #4, I should have said, 'Direct Techniques' as they are vastly different in the way that they are executed compared to the 'Indirect' ones.

Secondly I have another comment:

Originally Posted by CosmicIron:
1. The best time to practice is after 4 or 5 hours of sleep. You could also combine the practice with WBTB for maximum effect but it is not required.

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I don't want to come across as being critical or pedantic but this is WBTB by definition and the instructions could be confusing to some.

This is an excellent guide because the experimental results have proven its worth.  It contradicts Michael Raduga's instructions for performing these techniques prior to WBTB sleep.  I am far too busy to use WBTB but when I do have a morning off I will follow your instructions exactly to see how eficacious the method is.

I would also highly recommend anyone who wants to use this to record prompts with 15 second intervals and practice the method.  It is very surprising how hard it is to judge how long 15 seconds really is.  I am sure this practice will really help with actually performing the method.  Just throwing in my two pence  

Originally Posted by CosmicIron:
However, when the condition is not met, for example, when you are rather wide awake, the method will unlikely do you any good.

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Mr. Raduga says that this is a common misconception that people have that being too awake is going to reduce ones chances.  From years of seminar research and results the level of 'wakefulness' that one has is irrelevant to a successful phase entrance.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron:
You can try wiggle your fingers without using muscle but that will feel genuinely fake. You then move on to stare behind your eyelids but you will see nothing but blackness. You then try squeezing your brain but that simply feel weird... Let's face it, how are you supposed to squeeze your brain? Of course, all of these become very easy and real when you are in the phase or are on the edge of a phase, but the exercise itself is not really designed to move you toward the phase. In fact, the amount of concentration demanded by the exercise will often leave you wide awake!

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The most recent research of Mr. Raduga is that phantom wiggling, swimming technique, rotation and imaging rubbing hands in front of one's face are the most effective indirect techniques.  We often are in the 'phase' state immediately upon waking.  I have many times awoken, keeping completely still, and immediately just left my physical body by getting up like I would do with my physical body.  If this doesn't happen then 'Indirect Techniques' are then necessary to move one towards the phase state.  

Originally Posted by Sydney:
So, there is a way that this technique could help you to WILD?
But it's not exactly a WILD technique?
So to achieve a WILD with this tech, do you just keep doing the repetitions over again?
I'm kind of unsure.
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When you practice the instructions you may enter a lucid dream or an OBE before going back to sleep or you may enter a lucid dream or OBE when you have gone back to sleep.  It is a WILD though many would argue that this is a DEILD method, another form of WILD.  As CosmicIron says repeat the procedure 4 or 5 times.

EDIT: Sorry for multi-posting, its late and Im tired.  

Originally Posted by nina:
I'm not familiar with this particular terminology or what is meant by "phase entrance", I'm assuming it's just a transitional stage of WILD? However I definitely to not believe that it is a misconception that it is more difficult to induce a WILD when one is more awake. Wakefulness is definitely not irrelevant. On the contrary, a successful WILD involves a pretty narrow margin of awareness in that you should not be too awake or too sleepy during the transition if you are to succeed. But I may be misunderstanding your point, if so, please clarify.

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'Phase' simply means the phenomenon of lucid dreaming or the out of body experience.

The techniques CosmicIron is referring to are the 'Indirect Techniques' which are to be performed immediately upon waking from sleep.  The proper protocol for Michael Raduga's method that CosmicIron was referring to when replying to my post is this:

1:  Sleep approximately uninterrupted for six hours, wake up and stay awake for at least a few minutes.  Go back to sleep, i.e. WBTB

2:  Over the next 2-4 hours one will naturally awaken several times.  Attempt to separate from the body the moment one realises one is awake.  Spend no more than 5 seconds on attempting to separate.  Remaining still upon awakening is the ideal but not obligatory.

3:  If no separation occurs cycles of 'Indirect Techniques' are to be applied.  Many students wake up feeling wide awake and assume that because they are wide awake attempting to enter a lucid dream or exit the body through 'Indirect Techniques' would be a waste of time.  Mr. Raduga says that this assumption is incorrect as cycles of the techniques are still highly effective regardless of how 'awake' one feels.

Hope this explains.  

Originally Posted by CosmicIron:
Let me clarify, SSILD does not require you to wake up and lay completely still.  In fact if you do that you change the technique to something else and result may vary.

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This is an added bonus that one doesn't need to remain still upon awakening.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron:
SSILD works best when combined with WBTB after 4-6 hours of quality sleep.
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Just to clarify, do the 4 or 5 cycles of steps 2a, 2b and 2c need to be performed immediately upon awakening? Or can one get up after 6 hours; visit the bathroom; go back to bed and then do the cycles of steps 2a, 2b, 2c?  Even though your method has its own merits and does vary from Mr. Raduga's methods, he does say that for his method not to use an alarm clock to generate an awakening.  As this point isn't included in your guide I am assuming that some of your students probably have and I was wondering if you have noticed the effect of this on the experimental results on the other forum?

Originally Posted by CosmicIron:
Originally Posted by mcwillis:
When you practice the instructions you may enter a lucid dream or an OBE before going back to sleep or you may enter a lucid dream or OBE when you have gone back to sleep.  It is a WILD though many would argue that this is a DEILD method, another form of WILD.  As CosmicIron says repeat the procedure 4 or 5 times.

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If one practices each of the 3 steps (see, listen, and feel) with aggression -- intending to produce immediate sensations, then it becomes a WILD method.  I usually discourage new users from doing this as it can cause unexpected side effects and sometimes make the technique less useful.  However, more experienced users know how to adjust the level of aggression to suit their conditions, and will provide excellent results.

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Another reason for my questions above as I am finding it hard to truly understand your instrctions.  Sorry if I gave incorrect advice to another member due to my misunderstanding of your method.


Originally Posted by CosmicIron:
Originally Posted by mcwillis:
Mr. Raduga says that this is a common misconception that people have that being too awake is going to reduce ones chances.  From years of seminar research and results the level of 'wakefulness' that one has is irrelevant to a successful phase entrance.

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IMO, while wakefulness is irrelevant, successful phase entrance does require the user to be able to shift from being fully awake to a state that boarder between wakefulness and sleep.  In order to do so, one needs to either quickly fall asleep, or focus on deepening the state through more active relaxation and hypnosis methods. While this is not impossible to do, it is definitely difficult for new users, and that's the very reason Mr. Raduga discourages using Direct Method as the primary mean to achieve phase entrance.  SSILD was designed with beginners in mind.  One can definitely use the technique ACTIVELY, and given enough repetition one can enter a trance from being fully awake (after all, it is very similar to Betty Ericson's self-hypnosis).  However, that requires determination and skill often lacked by beginners.

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Are you saying that when one reaches the fourth or fifth cycle of steps 2a, 2b and 2c it is very important that one is on the verge of falling asleep as described in step 3.  I am asking these questions because with my experience of success with Mr. Raduga's methods attention to detail is very important to a successful outcome.

Originally Posted by Sydney:
Oh my gosh. This technique is amazing!
So last night, I woke up after 5 hours of sleep, went to the restroom, then got back in bed. I did about, 5 cycles (If I remember correctly.) Then I got comfortable and did one cycle for some reason. After a few minutes I turned over once more (now on my stomach) and fell asleep.

I woke up.. and my body was completely paralyzed! I could not move. I think I could open my eyes, but I didn't want to! I got really scared. I heard these weird wind sounds in my ears or something, and my body just felt heavy and numb (it was a bit hazy at this part, can't remember much). I just decided, "What the heck, I'm getting out of this!" (I've done this before, and I ended up in a FA) So I tried wriggling my head, then my arms, then my fingers, and finally "broke" out of SP. I lay motionless , still lying on my stomach in my bed. Then I thought to myself, "Crap. I shouldn't have done that." But then I RCed out of reflex, and what do you know, I was in an FA! I got really excited. Still laying on my stomach, I used my arms and "pushed" me out of bed. It was extremely hard to do this. It was like pushing a rusted lever or something (kind of like I was "stuck" to the bed). Then I saw it was dark in my room so I got scared once more (I'm always afraid of seeing scary things in my dreams, like weird shadows and such).

So eventually after my adventure filled lucid dream (it was pretty vivid at the start, then I kind of lost lucidity at the end), I woke up. I remember going throughout the morning, kind of sad that I didn't have any more time to use the technique in the night, because of school. Then it faded. I woke up in my bed.

I guess I missed my opportunity for another lucid dream. Tricky tricky false awakenings

I looked at my clock and, all of that happened in less than 2 hours! How awesome is that!
Definetly trying this again tonight!

Oh yeah, and what could that be classified as? DEILD? FA? Not sure. (it's for putting it in my sig )

(Sorry for the long post...)
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Interesting result

Originally Posted by Fuzzman:
Cool technique I think I'll try it tomorrow during a WBTB. One question though, why is it SSILD, shouldn't it just be SILD? or is there already a technique called SILD that I don't know about?:

EDIT: nevermind I did a search and found SILD (song initiated) so I guess that's why you did the double S's
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And there is http://www.dreamviews.com/f49/sild-s...-dream-127336/

Originally Posted by Chetan:
Quote from Mr Radugas book "A practical Guide book" Pg No 16

"Dream consciousness is also considered to be a phase
experience. If you suddenly realize that you're dreaming while
asleep, then that's already the phase. You should therefore
proceed to implement your plan of action and stabilize the
state. If dream consciousness does arise, it would be a side
effect of doing technique cycles upon awakenings. This side
effect is quite common - always be ready for"

This is what SILD is about.
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I would tend to disagree with this. As you say, when one starts to have regular success at practicing 'Indirect Techniques' one begins to have more DILD's as a result.  But it seemss as though CosmicIron's method generates DILD's a lot more quickly.  I may be wrong about this and is just my opinion.

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And to finish up I would like to add that CosmicIron's method is a mixture of Michael Raduga's 'Indirect' and 'Direct' techniques with one major difference.  In either of Raduga's methods one is attempting to have a LD or OBE from a waking state whereas CosmicIron's technique is setting up the conditions to have a phase experience at a later point in time when practice of his method has elapsed.  From reading this thread a passive practice will lead to a lucid dream and an aggressive practice will lead to either a WILD or perhaps DILD whilst asleep.  Please correct me if I am wrong CosmicIron  

Originally Posted by GibsoNorth:
Tried this 2 nights ago at a WTBT. Got my first lucid! Tried yesterday also and had a super vivid dream but not lucid. Seems very promising
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Awesome  

Originally Posted by dave1701:
I did it last night and got a short lucid!  I will definitely be trying again tonight.
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Originally Posted by Moondreamer:
I tried this halfheartedly last night, after bad recal l and no lucids for months. I had a very long lucid and a FA last night, extremely pleased!
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Originally Posted by dakotahnok:
Well I have been in a dryspell lately and last night was the second time of trying this technique, and I got three lucid dreams.

I am weary this is a placebo so I will keep trying.
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I doubt it was just your intent as it has been producing awesome results and yours can be added. Several people are saying 'last night', are you doing this with wbtb or before a nights sleep?  

Originally Posted by dakotahnok:
You need intent no matter what in order to lucid dream. Without any inten its almost guaranteed that you won't have any lucid dreams.

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Nonsense.  I have had many DILD's without intending to have them.  I wager that if you instructed 100 people to use this method for a few weeks without the knowledge of what might happen as a result and who also have no desire to have lucid dreams then some of them would have lucid dreams.  

Originally Posted by Carrot:
That is surprisingly accurate for google translate.  But some words can't be taken literally and he's definitely not from the Navy. I'm not quite sure what those two words meant too.

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I didn't think it was working quite as it should be  

Originally Posted by dakotahnok:
Still no results. Leaning towards placebo.
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There are a lot of threads for techniques to induce lucidity on the forum but they don't have the high level of success that this technique has so I think we can safely rule out that this is a placebo  

Originally Posted by Sydney:
Oh, so my mind doesn't need to wander a whole lot at the first part of the cycles?
Maybe that's whats getting me.  Spending too much time on each step.

To get this straight, I should do the cycles, then let my mind wander? THEN I'll enter the trance?

Oh and how do I know when I reach the trance?
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From Cosmic's opening post:
Theory

We do not know why exactly SSILD works. One user pointed out that the method shares some resemblance with the self-hypnosis method introduced by Betty Erickson, wife of the late Dr. Milton H. Erickson. Another theory is that by repeated stimulation of the various senses in a trance-like state, we incubate our mind and body into the right condition suited for entering a DILD, WILD, or OBE.

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The cycles in themselves should create this trance state themselves if you approach the process in a a relaxed manner mentally.