Originally Posted by RareCola:
Try reading a book or these forums? Maybe joining the IRC chat?
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Although, I heard somewhere that staring at any kind of screen can hinder your chances of being able to fall back to sleep; but since this tech does make you sleepy, maybe it wouldn't hurt. I'll try it.  

Originally Posted by astralboy:
I had LD this morning
(WBTB + SSILD)
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That's awesome! Can you tell us how it went?  

Originally Posted by JeanLucGodard:
I just had a LD using this technique too. My process is:

1) Drink PLENTY of water
2) Go to sleep quickly after drinking water
3) Wake up to use the bathroom
4) Record last dream in Dream Journal
5) Go on the internet for 15-20 minutes to ensure a small level of awakness
6) Lie flat on my back, arms at my side, and eyes closed.
7) Do four cycles
8) Roll over to most comfortable sleeping position
9) Do four more cycles
10) Sleep

Granted, there are usually three things that prevent me from successfully completing the process often. The first being not waking up in the first place. The second being too tired after waking up to remember to even try (I just use the bathroom and flop back down on my bed and instantly pass out when this happens). The third being falling asleep while doing the cycles (this one happens the least). If these three things didn't happen and I did the process every night I feel as though I would be having LD's multiple times a week.

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Sounds like a good plan! I may try this tonight too.

Oh and, do you ever get too awake after your on the internet? Because of the lights, etc.? Sometimes I just get on for a couple of minutes, then I'm unable to go back to sleep.  

Originally Posted by CosmicIron:
If you want you can check out this URL which collects the first-time success cases happened in the last 8 months or so (actually much less because the Zchinese search engine omits several months of data, ridiculously).  There are about 250 cases in that thread.  If we count the overall success cases then the number can go easily beyond thousands.  In fact, one of my students recorded over 200 LDs in less than 8 months

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I went to the site and Google Chrome automatically translated it for me. On the first post it translated something to "Do not water." I LOL'd.. I think this was supposed to be "Do not flame."  

Originally Posted by CosmicIron:
Sydney, I'm sorry it's still not working for you  How long does it take for you to finish each cycle?  Were you doing each step quickly?  Maybe 15-20 seconds are not enough.  I suggest you try to extend the length of each step.  For example, while looking behind the eyelids, try to thoroughly examine the darkness and do not move on to the next step until you pick up something out of the dark no matter how trivial.  Same goes for listening -- do not move on to next until you can hear something inside your head...  Basically just forget about the 10-20 seconds requirement.  Do this for the first 4 cycles then ease up and allow yourself to drift into the trance with a couple of more relaxed cycles and then go to sleep.

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Thank you CosmicIron
Will try this tonight and see if I get any success. I will, though, because it's SSILD.  

Originally Posted by CosmicIron:
Any out-of-normal sensations: heaviness, movement, numbness, itch, tingling, and etc. You can also actively imagine movement of certain body parts, for example, wiggling of fingers and toes, slow spinning of stomach, head sinking into pillow, and so on.  The reason I didn't include these in the technique is this sort of active techniques can sometimes cause people to lose sleep.  However, in your case it seems you can fall asleep pretty quickly so maybe you can give it a shot.

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Okay, thank you.  Still though, how do I know when I'm in the trance?  

Originally Posted by Arilou:
Okay then what would be the best way to wake up for wbtb but without an alarm clock? Do mantras work?

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You could try, "I will be aware when I wake up." Since you wake up at different times during the night and you don't realize it.

Hope that helps

Oh and CosmicIron, if I wanted to combine SSILD with WILD in one night, could I wake up at say, after 4 hours and 30 minutes, and then do SSILD? Then wake up later to do WBTB and WILD?

Do you think doing SSILD that early would work?
It's just a thought.  

Originally Posted by Sea07:
@CosmicIron
Alright, thanks.
@Sydney
Do you want to wake up without an alarm after four hours sleep? You could try mantras, or drink heaps of water before you sleep (:

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Ok, will do.
It seem like I keep waking up later and later in my sleep naturally, sometimes not even waking up at all! I think the problem is though that I don't drink as much water as I should.  

Whoa.. double post.  

Okay  I'll rest for a couple of days and see how it goes.  

That's awesome Rubens!  okay, I'll try what you did. I think I'm waking up way too early
Will post the results tomorrow!  

I woke up after 6 hours and found out I was WAY too tired to keep my awareness up.
Even though I went to the restroom with the light on, my eyes were soo heavy. I was nodding off to sleep right there lol.

I think it's because I took some Benadryl right before I went to bed.
I was laying there in bed constantly tossing and turning before I knew what I was doing, and fell asleep.  

Originally Posted by Rubens:
Next time you try, try to recall the last dream and write it in your DJ before doing the cycles, it will make you more aware while doing the cycles.

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Alright, will do.
I have some time on my hands in the morning so I can sleep (and hopefully wake up before 6 hours) longer and thus have more chances for SSILD.

Not sure how it works later in sleeping though.  

Okay, I'll try that. What I have been doing is occasionally writing in my DJ if I remember anything, and using the bathroom. Maybe walking more will help keep me awake.  

Has anyone here done the cycles and actually have woken up in SP?
Just wondering  

Originally Posted by CosmicIron:
You nearly succeeded.  Next time when that happens just stay calm and do a nose pinching RC.  Chances are you will find yourself in a dream.

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Okay  I will try to stay calm next time too. I remember when hearing it, I was like, "Oh gosh. Oh gosh, oh gosh!"

So what you're saying is to just wait, right? I wasn't in SP I don't think, so I don't know what that was.  

So last night I got the same result - I woke up after about an hour (after WBTB) and decided to fall asleep again so that I would get something out of SSILD. I did, and then I woke up in what felt like this weird feeling. I can't remember exactly the feeling, but I felt kinda heavy, and maybe I felt small vibrations. Not sure though.

This lasted about 10 seconds. I didn't want to move because I thought it was real SP, and I could have waited for a DEILD! But just like yesterday night, after the 10 seconds or so, it stopped. I'm not sure if I "fell asleep" or "woke up", but I"m pretty sure it was the latter. It was probably an FA.

It seems like I'm getting closer!  I just gotta realize those tricky FAs.  

Originally Posted by melanieb:
What matters is what works for the individual to achieve good lucid dreaming results.

- No method guarantees success with every person.

- Not every person will lucid dream.

We are all here to make our best efforts. Let's all work towards that goal and be open to new ideas.  
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Amen to that.  

Originally Posted by CosmicIron:
Usually when we wake up during REM we feel less drowsy.  As for SSILD, if you find yourself having difficulty to complete the first couple of cycles then you are too tired to make it work.  You would be better of going to sleep and do the exercise when you wake up again.  I find no difference between using alarm and waking up naturally though.  
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Ok