主题:Senses Initiated Lucid Dream (Ssild) Part Ii Ld4AllAfter 15-20 seconds of trying, how long must you pause or something and go on with the other try's?
(Sorry for bad english).
cosmic.iron wrote:
pnl wrote:
http://www.ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44453 here is my try to SSILD
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lago wrote:
Had 2 LDs last night...
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Your welcome. Please take a look at the replies I gave to pnl as that might help you as well.
apolo wrote:After 15-20 seconds of trying, how long must you pause or something and go on with the other try's? -------
No need to pause and you should never count the time. The 15-20 seconds is just a hint. Just do this technique in a relaxed and lazy manner. In fact, you want to lose count!
(Sorry for bad english).
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Hmm ok, so you dont need to pause? But how do you start the next 15-20 seconds then? Just immediatley after them? (So in fact you are doing those steps for like a minut or 2)? And how do you know you must fell asleep? Because at one point you say you have to pull your mind back and at the other step you say you have to fell in sleep as fast as possible?
(Again sorry for my worse english).
cosmic.iron wrote:
gemini.moon wrote:
cosmic.iron wrote:
gemini.moon wrote:
I've been trying this a lot lately, and I still have problems because I fall asleep way too quickly. I get up and will be wide awake, but the moment I start the technique I fall asleep within the first few seconds. What can I do to fix this?
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Are you doing WBTB?
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Yes, I do WBTB every night 4-6 hours after I go to sleep. I get up and walk around a bit and then go back to sleep. But I'm a very deep sleeper and can fall asleep in a matter of seconds.
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Hmmm, aside from staying awake a bit longer, I think you might need to add more determination into your routines. First, tell yourself you really need to get this to work, then do the modified routines:
1. Observe the darkness behind your closed eyelids with the "intention" to pick up colors, lights, images, or simply areas that's not so dark. If you fail to find anything, don't strain your eye muscle. Next cycle will lead you deeper into the state.
2. Listen to the noise in your head and try to increase its volume.
3. Try to wiggle your fingers and toes without using any muscles.
The normal routines require you to observe the sensations passively, but in your case we need to use a bit more aggression.
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Another question.
Do you have to do those steps at the same time of after each other?
<mod>Double post edited together. And don't worry, most people here don't have english as their first language. </mod>
cosmic.iron wrote:
thaifly wrote:
Something funny happened last night Earlier during the day I tried to take a nap after doing some 5-6 SSILD cycles but could not fall asleep. Then in the evening when I was getting ready to go to sleep I decided to try SSILD again with WBTB and put my iPhone's alarm clock to wake me up at 4am.
I woke up as the alarm went off and grabbed my iPhone in order to silence the alarm. However, the phone stopped ringing before I even touched it and the screen went black. I tried to restart the phone with no success. I stood up and my girl friend woke up as well. At that moment I realized that something was not right and did a nose RC and could breath! I became fully lucid but it lasted only for 1-2 minutes as I got too excited and woke up. So it was a very realistic FA!
My question: is it possible that the cycles I did during day had something to do with the last night's false awakening?
I found it pretty funny that the pure intention of using SSILD helped me to become lucid, even before I had the opportunity to do the cycles
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That indeed is a funny experience. I wouldn't say the experience is resulted from earlier attempt of SSILD... it can't be that powerful can it? LOL. However, it is faily common to experience this kind of hyper realistic false awakenings after doing SSILD. You are right about intentions -- they are indeed very powerful. In fact, SSILD itself is a way to set up intentions. Words/mantras are not particularly effective at communicating intentions with our subconscious, but the SSILD exercise seems pretty good at that.
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Can you answer my questions?
Sorry if I am a little impatient, but im very curious and want to try this technique!
cosmic.iron wrote:
Just do one after another, without a pause. Make sure you don't do it too fast. You want to allow your mind to wander to the point you occassionally forget to do the exercise.
You can allow the steps to overlap.
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Okay, I tryed last night. No result. I did the WBTB technique etc, (after 4/5 hours sleep) I get up and watched some motivation scene's from inception (stayed awake for 30 minuts), then I did go in bed and tryed the steps 4/5 times. But with no result. And it took a while before I get to sleep. So do you have tips?
Another question is; When do you have to go to sleep? When you did it 4/5 times? Or when you get sleepy? Or do you just have to wait when you fall asleep?
Thanks for the answer and yes my mind did wander a couple of times.
I still don't understand when I must sleep . Or do I just have to repeat the steps untill I fall in sleep? Of just sleep after 4/5 times? And isn't it a problem to stay awake for like 30 minuts, because with the WBTB technique they recommended that.
And what do you mean exactly with let your thoughts drift?
Edit; So I tryed it last night again. I waked up after 5.5 hourss sleep (6 o'clock), I writed my dream down and then I had to go to the toilet. So after ten minuts, I was back in my bed again and followed the steps. I wasn't very comfortable, I think because I was to awake. An hour later I finally get to sleep, but as you may understand my focus was gone. I just wanted to get to sleep.
Must I wake up earlier? Or dont go out of bed? Ist very annoying when you cant sleep.