主题:Ssild Official Tutorial (2.0)Do you have to leave your eyes closed during the whole cycle or just for the first part where you have pay attention to the back of your eyelids.
"terms" meaning series of word to express an idea.
Ok i'll try going back to bed after WBTB quicker
If your RC is successful then you should be able to get up with your dream body.
Yes you need to have them closed all the time.
Fine. Feel free to use that 13-words "term". I won't.
Yeah but what RC could I possibly do when lying there with my eyes closed?
Any. I always use nose-plug since IMO it is the most reliable.
Thanks for the info. But I'm still a little confused. If i'm not actually dreaming, trying the RC won't screw up the process, since I'm trying to stay still and fall asleep?
If you were not dreaming, just do a few more cycles and go back to sleep, simple like that. SSILD is not WILD and does not require you to stay still.
Try not to count. It doesn't need to be precise.
Lots of people on this sub have reported a fair success rate with SSILD. Should it go on the sidebar with WILD and MILD?
I know it won't work when you first go to bed but what about an afternoon nap? I've heard that naps work well with some other techniques.
Naps work, but not ideal because they are usually too short. You will probably have better result with other techniques.
Thanks! I had a semi-lucid dream with SSILD last night but I didn't have much control over it. I was sort of stuck in my house and wasn't able to get out before losing lucidity. Any tips?
Upon becoming lucid, especially the ones which you rise from your bed, it is important to perform some stabilization techniques first. Try these:
- Grab and examine small objects in your room. Examine a few in a row, don't stop at one for too long. Try touching, flipping, reading.
- Crawl on floor.
- Shout something such as "More lucidity now!".
Once the dream stabilizes you should leave the house scene as quickly as possible. Also you should constantly remind yourself that you are dreaming, and set and reset goals frequently -- don't set far-reaching goals, instead, break your actions into smaller milestones. For example, see that stair? Consider reaching the top of it a milestone. Upon reaching the top, immediately set another goal.
Hope this helps.
Just chiming in that it worked for me today, first try! I've LD'd before mostly DILD/DEILD and a couple WILDs. This was so much easier than WILD being able to move around and do my best to maintain being comfortable through the whole thing.
Was in my bed as described when it felt different, did a RC and became lucid in my bedroom.
I have been trying this technique for about a week now, and had one LD which lasted all of two seconds. However, something occured to me; you say not to do any other techniques or it may screw it up. Does this include taking supplements, eg. melatonin? Because I've been taking 6mg after I wake up to do SSILD every night, and am wondering if it has a negative impact.
SSILD works especially well with supplements, if you do it correctly, that is. Melatonin is not exactly an LD trigger. In fact, it suppresses LD! What it does is to suppress REM sleep, thus creates more NREM deep sleeps. When taken prior to sleep, it gives you a few hours of deep sleep with little REM sleep in each sleep cycle. After its effect diminishes, due to REM rebound effect, you start to have a lot REM sleeps stacked together. This in turn gives you better chance to LD. What you have been doing though is exactly the opposite, and that will cause you to have even less REMs than usual!
Do this instead: take Melatonin 1 or 2 hours before going to sleep. Wake up after 4 or 5 hours and take Galantamine and some Alpha GPC. Go immediately back to bed to perform a few SSILD cycles and allow yourself to fall asleep ASAP afterward -- try to do it before the supplements cross the blood brain barrier which takes approximately an hour. You will almost guaranteed to have lots and lots of LDs/OBEs!
Wow, thanks bro. It appears I have been misinformed. Hopefully this will be a lot easier now, thanks!
Tried this for the first time last night. No lucid dreams, but did remember a few non-lucid ones after waking up. Gonna keep trying.
Make sure you get a few hours of sleep before trying the technique, otherwise it may not work very well :)
Oh, I did, I followed the instructions. [These](
http://pastebin.com/zWGMikTE) are the complete notes from my lucid dreaming log for last night. It was also only my third night trying to lucid dream at all, I only got interested in LD very recently.
Remembering no dreams at all during your first awakening is a sign that Melatonin worked. It suppressed your REM sleeps during the early part of your sleep. The strain you felt on your eyes is normal. As long as it does not cause you to lose sleep it is okay. Don't pay attention to them because with the cycling you will soon move your focus to other senses and in turn relax the eyes. Doing a few extra quick cycles might help too.
You saw some imagery forming in front of you, and you should consider that a semi-success! It is sign that you are getting close to a WILD. Next time you see this type of HIs you should stop cycling and observe them while remaining relaxed and passive. As you enter the dream they will get more intense, which is quite an experience but nothing to be afraid of... actually they are quite enjoyable.
The other thing is with the many alarms. You shouldn't use alarms one you begin using SSILD. The technique will wake you naturally, and many of the awakenings are False Awakening which you can use to enter a LD. If if they are not FAs you may still be under some sort of light trance which you can utilize to achieve WILDs much more easily. Using alarms disrupts them so it's no good.
Thomas Yuschak in his excellent book "Advanced Lucid Dreaming -- The Power of Supplements" talks about this in depth. My personal experience also confirms it. I also saw a few academic papers on this subject. However, I'm no neuroscientist so I won't say which theory is right or wrong in the definitive way.
You're welcome. I suggest you read the book "The Power of Supplements" from Thomas Yuschak. It will give you a lot more useful info.
Thanks for the pointers. I tried again last night
> Took 2mg melatonin 30m-1h before sleep. Went to bed, special alarm set for 5h30m later. Woke up, didn't immediately do a reality check again but one within a couple minutes of waking up. Remembered some dreams, wrote them down, went to the bathroom, drank some water, and went back to bed. Did some cycles, had some difficulty concentrating on them, kept getting distracted. Had some more imagery, don't remember of what though. Never felt any tingling or numbness tough. Don't remember whether I finished the cycles or not before I fell asleep. Woke up later, and started the wake up -> do some cycles -> fall back asleep routine. I remembered to do a reality check at every wakeup I remember, at some of them I felt actually uncertain of whether I was in a dream, but ended up finding myself in reality every time. At one wakeup I remembered a dream that I think was pretty detailed, but never wrote it down, and can't remember it anymore. It wasn't lucid though.
Didn't remember to stop and observe the imagery :/. Only used one alarm, the one to get me up for WBTB. Should I have gotten up and written down the dream I remembered and subsequently forgot, or would that have "broken the trance" and lowered my chances of succeeding? I'd also been up for almost 24 hours when I went to bed and was very tired, that probably had an effect, causing me to forget to observe the imagery and not get up and write down the dream.
24 hours? You must be really tired then, and that's not ideal for lucid dreaming. If you prefer to chain the SSILD (performing a few cycles upon each awakening without getting up) then you should not get up to record dreams as that will break the trance -- some people (including me) like to do that in order to avoid having to get up. Otherwise it's fine.
So this technique is known to cause a lot of FAs, in fact many more FAs than LDs. Any thoughts on taking advantage of the FAs by learning to reliably them into full-blown LDs? This seems like an obvious thing to do, but I haven't seen much discussion of it, even to explain why it won't work. (I haven't actually had any succesful LDs or FAs yet so I'm just speculating, take this comment for what it's worth...)
There are several ways to do it.
1. Upon every subsequent awakening, perform a few SSILD cycles. If you are in FA doing so will likely result in immediate sensations to occur.
2. Remember to RC every time you wake up.
3. Upon waking up, immediately relax the back of your head and allow it to sink into the pillow. Focus on hearing at the same time. If successful, you will experience vibrations. This trick while slightly more difficult to master, has the added advantage which may help you enter a phase from a real awakened state in addition to FAs.
Actually a good term for that is *qualia.* Basically things one cannot express with words.
First time I tried this. I had a LD this morning. IS GOOD
Had my first lucid dream on my fourth SSILD attempt! It only lasted a few seconds after going lucid though. Dream-initiated, from noticing something that only ever happens to me in dreams. Haven't had any false awakenings still.
I've been having a hard time doing all of the cycles. I keep drifting off for minutes at a time, and not into dreamlike imagery, just lying there like I was going to sleep normally. One thing that has slightly helped is counting breaths and focusing on each sense for first 3 breaths, then 4 breaths, and so on, though I still drift off a lot. Is this problematic, maybe it's too much like meditation where you concentrate on the breath? I know drifting off is okay to an extent, but I'm not even getting to finish all my cycles before falling asleep. Other people must have had this problem too, do you have any tips for dealing with it?
Drifting off in general is better than not, so basically it's a nicer problem to have, LOL. Counting breathing is fine because that essentially is focusing on body sensations and does not involve too much mental activities. To make yourself drift off less, simply stay awake a bit longer before returning to bed to do SSILD. Try to increment the time only little by little, say, a couple minutes, until you find the most optimal schedule for yourself.
I agree with the point about what is or isn't possible in your dreams. I've actually read a few lines of text and remembered them clearly enough to write them in my dream journal without being lucid.