Wow!  :bravo: I MUST try this as this is my method for meditating. I was able to after much practice, enter the void using such a method as you mentioned here. I often stare at the blackness behind my eyelids and listen to either hemi-sync music when meditating, or at times, my own ear ringing. VERY intriguing. Thnx so much for sharing this method!  

Originally Posted by daban:
I NEED further knowledge about this method, WHY IS IT WORKING?
One does not simply lucid dream by messing with ones senses.
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Hello Daban,

What do you fear might happen?  

Originally Posted by daban:
I've succeeded with the method but I'm just interested in why and what happens in the brain..
Why does this give so much FA's and DEILDS? :O
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Well, I can't answer that one  as I have not done much lucid dreaming with this or any other method. However, I do use it, or a very similar method, when I meditate.  As for what happens in the brain, I can't say. Do we know what happens in the brain with any of the other methods?  

Originally Posted by mutualdreamer:
I did everything perfect and was undisturbed but I still didn't get lucid Dx. I told myself to wake up after 5 hours, woke up at some time, used bathroom, got water, did 5 cycles, fell asleep in good time, had normal dream .

Tonight I will try not getting up at all and see if it goes better then.
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I did exactly what you did. I woke up, wrote dot points about a non lucid I had, went to the bathroom, did the exercises and fell asleep all in good time. I had a ripper of a non lucid but no FA's this time. I'll just keep doing it. Tell me how not getting up works when you have results.  

Originally Posted by mutualdreamer:
Im sorry but your last sentence makes no sense to me. Lol please rephrase :p
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Ha, sorry. I'm tired this morning. You said earlier that you would try not getting up for the bathroom when you wake up for SSILD. Please tell me how this works for you.  

Originally Posted by yuppie11975:
I tried this last night, and I got a lucid out of it! (First attempt! How's that?!)
Is it just me, or does this make you really aware and energised?
My dad informed me that I was shouting in my sleep last night, though. Not sure if there's any relation.

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Oh, that's great! Huh, the technique didn't make me energized but it certainly made me more aware of my dream state. About the shouting, that's hilarious but I don't know what could have caused that. Are you trying it again tonight?  

Huh, that's creepy. Well good luck tonight.  

@Chetan, Maybe you need to stay up a little longer to get your mind jogging again, then you'll remember to do the technique. Actually getting out of bed may help.

I keep waking up and trying the technique right away and just seem to fall asleep before I get through it. Or I'll have a hard time 'not focussing'. I think the falling asleep too soon should be easy to fix but does anyone else have trouble not focussing too hard?  

Originally Posted by McDreamy:
@Chetan, Maybe you need to stay up a little longer to get your mind jogging again, then you'll remember to do the technique. Actually getting out of bed may help.

I keep waking up and trying the technique right away and just seem to fall asleep before I get through it. Or I'll have a hard time 'not focussing'. I think the falling asleep too soon should be easy to fix but does anyone else have trouble not focussing too hard?

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I have focusing issues as well. I'm always drifting off but jut bring myself back to the task. I usually just force myself to focus on the exercises and that helps. Well I tried this method again last night. I had a sub-lucid because it was so fuzzy and I lost lucidity very soon. I'll give this tech a few more tries but I'm not sure if it's doing much for me, plus schools going back tomorrow so I can't afford to lose any sleep.  

I think I'm going to try and give this a few weeks of doing it, now that exams are almost done and I can afford to spend some time with WBTB's. I imagine it will still take a bit of time to get this technique right, even though some people are having some very quick results with it.

I know were not supposed to do it before bed but I tried 'practicing' not focusing too hard last night before sleep and then had my first lucid (although 2 seconds or less) in a long time in the first part of my sleep before my WBTB.  

Originally Posted by daban:
I NEED further knowledge about this method, WHY IS IT WORKING?
One does not simply lucid dream by messing with ones senses.
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Will have to experiment a bit, but the mechanism seems straightforward enough, to me anyways.

'Focusing' on WL senses as you drift off makes you more aware of your environment, and with a lack of other thoughts or inputs from which to build associations, dream formation will take its course using your sleeping location as the root schema.

It's the same reason passive/anchored WILDs often begin with an FA, except this is a more natural approach that encapsulates the details in order to pull off a sort of super-MILD.

It's quite brilliant, really. I think I'll make this a regular part of my daily naps.  

@McDreamy
Huh, yes I'll try it and report back when I get the chance.  

Originally Posted by yuppie11975:
This is pretty crazy
I look forward to trying again tonight!
Hahahah, I always forget what three things to do ;3 You know how you can't really think rationally when you first wake up?

I'm like; "Smell, taste, hear?"
"No, See, hear, smell?"
"No, I remember! "Sight, hear,  feel"  
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Haha exactly!

Well last night was a flop. I did my WBTB, got back in bed, and totally forgot to do my technique.

For everyone that's succeeded, how long did you stay up in your WBTBs? I usually just use the restroom and get back in bed.

Oh and also how long did you sleep before you got up for your WBTB?  

Originally Posted by Sydney
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For everyone that's succeeded, how long did you stay up in your WBTBs? I usually just use the restroom and get back in bed.

Oh and also how long did you sleep before you got up for your WBTB?
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Getting up for a few minutes like that is good as you should be able to do the technique and fall asleep easily. 6 hours for a wbtb is generally accepted as the optimal time  

Well I have been in a dryspell lately and last night was the second time of trying this technique, and I got three lucid dreams.

I am weary this is a placebo so I will keep trying.  

Originally Posted by mcwillis:
I doubt it was just your intent as it has been producing awesome results and yours can be added. Several people are saying 'last night', are you doing this with wbtb or before a nights sleep?

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I'm pretty sure its not a placebo. I'm just not 100% sure.

I used it with wbtb. I stayed up for like 5 minutes.  

Although I don't really know anything about brain science, thats interesting.  

well I'm not saying WILD and DILD are placebo per se, I meant that those take more intent and right mindset with some effort to have them during night than/contrary to SSILD. just my opinion, well most of my WILDs are from  intent in my head without a thought, it's simple but it's kinda hard  

No luck last night. Woke up, did my WBTB, got back in bed, and did about 1 and a half cycles before my mind wandered and I fell asleep.

Darn..  

Had FA again. Semi-LD - I practiced levitation
I had a dream that I almost got lucid...  

The huge success rate with this method seems promising. I'll give it a try tonight!  

Originally Posted by [email02protected]:
One thing that's missed for this technique (I think), is the  intent at the end of cycle!! You have to 'intend' to have WILD or DILD or whatever the techqniue it is, your mind have to have desire to LD, without a thought, without a doubt.

Carefully following the steps is perfectly fine I think, but with intent I think it would be more successful

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That isn't what CosmicIron prescribes.  He recommends that the technique should be done passively so as to drift away into sleep after four or five cycles   I don't think intent should be introduced at all.  It is a technique in itself devoid of the need for intent.  

Originally Posted by dakotahnok:
You need intent no matter what in order to lucid dream. Without any inten its almost guaranteed that you won't have any lucid dreams.

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Nonsense.  I have had many DILD's without intending to have them.  I wager that if you instructed 100 people to use this method for a few weeks without the knowledge of what might happen as a result and who also have no desire to have lucid dreams then some of them would have lucid dreams.  

I emailed CosmicIron about one of my attempts, where I was doing everything correctly and wasn't getting results. Here is what he exactly said:

Hi,

Normally people do the exercise with a lot of mental effort and expect immediate result.  This is a common mistake that causes them loss of sleep.  Since the exercise is designed to work after you fall asleep, losing sleep will not help you succeed.  Your problem, on the other hand, is the exact opposite -- you fall asleep too quickly without entering the trance.  The trance is the state when you become deeply relaxed, your mind begins to wander, and you often forget about the exercise.  The longer we hold onto this state, the more likely we will succeed later.  This is much easier to deal with than the losing sleep problem . You can try the following solutions:

1.  Increase the number of repetitions.  Do not fall asleep until you sense you have entered the trance -- mind begins to drift, you forget which step you are into the exercise, and etc.

2.  With each cycle, you should feel you are going deeper into the trance.  The sensations should feel more real with each cycle.  For example, do not expect to be able to see anything during the first couple of cycles, but in later cycles you should observe a bit more intently and expect to see something out if the dark.  Same thing goes for hearing things.  In the beginning you don't expect to hear anything but later you should expect to hear the noise in your head more clearly.  Please be careful though -- do NOT force yourself if you absolutely don't feel anything.  Being able to fall asleep always has much higher priority.

3.  During the last step where you try to fall asleep quickly, you may want to occasionally quickly glance at the darkness behind your closed eyelids.  Do this very quickly and sparingly, do not focus and absolutely do not stress your eye muscles!  If you feel this is keeping you from falling asleep then you should drop it and let go of everything to fall asleep ASAP.

You don't have to do all three above.  I suggest you try them and find the right balance between entering the trance and falling asleep.  If anything, you don't want to lose sleep so please do not stress yourself!

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Hope this helps some of you  

Originally Posted by Sydney:
I emailed CosmicIron about one of my attempts, where I was doing everything correctly and wasn't getting results. Here is what he exactly said:

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Hope this helps some of you
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Just remember, no matter the  technique, results aren't guaranteed to work every time. At least not at first.