Originally Posted by happenloo:
中国水军前来围观，看英文真吃力……
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這裡的人大多數都是講英文的。  

welcome to 09baidu tieba00 of China，talk about Lucid Dream
码几个英文真辛苦，一号水军09玄朔先生00报道，有后续的水军来吗？

the 水军 means I like 灌水，in China it means 0505
I can 形容 sorry
hope sb. can 解释

I forgot the link
search www。baidu。com,then enter "清明梦".fand the "清明梦吧"
lucid Dream website
It's the Chinese biggist website which is research and Communicate Lucid Dream.

or    
tieba。baidu。com/f?kw=%C7%E5%C3%F7%C3%CE#
turn "。"to" ."  

Originally Posted by happenloo:
the 水军 means I like 灌水，in China it means ……
I can 形容 sorry
hope sb. can 解释
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有沒有另外個詞來形容“灌水”？中國人用的有些新詞我還看不懂，太久沒上微博了。哈哈。

Basically I think he meant he's from China and he's just looking around. He said that there's a lucid dream forum dedicated to Chinese in China and here's the link: http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=%C7%E5%C3%F7%C3%CE

He wants to invite us over to chat with them about lucid dreaming but I guess there would be some communication difficulties.

Originally Posted by mcwillis:
很抱歉，但中國海軍有做這個線程？

我不能說中文，所以使用谷歌翻譯。
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That is surprisingly accurate for google translate.  But some words can't be taken literally and he's definitely not from the Navy. I'm not quite sure what those two words meant too.  

Originally Posted by dakotahnok:
Just remember, no matter the  technique, results aren't guaranteed to work every time. At least not at first.

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Yeah, I know.  I just wanted to email him just to see what he thought about it.  

^^^^
Same for me happenloo
How many times you try?  

Alright... not sure if it was this technique or a coincidence, but I got lucid last night. Here's how it went down: I woke up for a WBTB, went to the bathroom and came back. I did a few repititions of the technique, and felt sleepy after about 3. HOWEVER, I couldn't fall asleep for some reason (I blame e fact that I'm sick) so I stayed up for a few hours, then went to sleep regularly. Do you think the technique kicked in even though I didn't fall asleep directly after doing it? I'm almost convinced it was a coincidental DILD, but then again I haven't gone lucid I'm a very long time, so I'm not sure.  

Originally Posted by Sydney:
That's awesome Taffy  Maybe since you gained some extra awareness or something you had that DILD?
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That could be. If so, then this is like the ultimate technique.  

Originally Posted by DannyY:
Not sure if it was coincidental or this method that done it, but I had a DILD the first time trying this.

I'll be sure to try this again!
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Originally Posted by Randoman:
I tryed this last night for the first time  and it worked right away i didt even excpect it to work that fast . and it even caused a false awakening just like they said  so for any sceptics out there about this technique do exactly as they say and it will work  

iv been doing this for a whiel so it might just be me but i realy think there on to somthing here so dont give up

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Do you mind telling us what time you woke up for your WBTB? And how long it was? And how many cycles you did before you fell asleep?

Sorry for the questions, I'm trying to learn from other people's successes ^_^  

Tried it for the second time last night and had another DILD. This method's success is crazy.  

Originally Posted by dakotahnok:
Still no results. Leaning towards placebo.
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But if it's a placebo that works for so many people, is this a bad thing?  

And from what i've heard if it somehow get cut you die.  

I wanted to try SSILD but I fell asleep after the first part of the first rep. I looked at the back of my eyelids and just passed out.

I got lucid anyway, though, so yay.  

Originally Posted by dakotahnok:
Still no results. Leaning towards placebo.
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There are a lot of threads for techniques to induce lucidity on the forum but they don't have the high level of success that this technique has so I think we can safely rule out that this is a placebo  

Ok so i  went to bed at 10am and fell asleep doing the techinque so im not shure how many cycles  i did but then i natruly woke up at 3:00am . wich is weird beacuse i usly do my wbtb at 4am but any way i coudent fall asleep so i did the technique  till 4oam then went to sleep doing the technique agian then i had a DILD  whent lucid then i thought i woke up but i didt so i guess that somthing i have to wach out for  

Been trying this since it came out... no results.  

I think the reason this works has to do with how we tend to wake up with the same thoughts we were having when we fell asleep. Fall asleep doing the cycles, wake up doing the cycles. After you wake up the cycles become an awareness anchor that keeps you conscious just long enough to result in a DEILD.

The increase in false awakenings might occur because you're expecting to wake up a few times during the night. You dream about what you think about.  

Just a quick question, there's ten pages and I'm a little too lazy to scroll through all of them to see if this has been asked.

Must it be with an alarm clock or would this work if you woke up at the right time on your own?  

Originally Posted by DinoSawr:
But if it's a placebo that works for so many people, is this a bad thing?
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No not at all! As long as people are getting lucid, I am happy. just wondering, when did I ever say it was bad?

Originally Posted by McDreamy:
@Dakotahnok
I was just reading back a little, and didn't you recently just post about how this worked for you by getting you out of a dryspell, and how you were pretty sure it wasn't a placebo? How long have you been practicing this technique?

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Yes, that is correct. But after reading through the thread again I decided to change that thought. When I first posted I said this works and it probably isn't a placebo. Now I'm saying I think it's a placebo, but I'm not sure yet. I have been practicing it since it came out but stopped a couple of days ago. My MILD works much better.

Originally Posted by mcwillis:
There are a lot of threads for techniques to induce lucidity on the forum but they don't have the high level of success that this technique has so I think we can safely rule out that this is a placebo

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A placebo can have a good amount of success. That's the thing with lucid dreaming, it's almost all intent which is why placebo's work so well. And the fact that the thread is getting positive feed back is just making the placebo er. I'm not saying it IS a placebo, I'm just saying we shouldn't be so quick to rule that out.  

Originally Posted by Sea07:
It works fine if you just wake up on your own. That's the only way I do it now, did it last night with some interesting results. I had one false awakening in which I was paralyzed and was immediately lucid in a random dream. I won't go into detail about the random dream but it was scary... Very scary.

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My first lucid from this technique was also part nightmare, strange.  

Originally Posted by JeanLucGodard:
Just a quick question, there's ten pages and I'm a little too lazy to scroll through all of them to see if this has been asked.

Must it be with an alarm clock or would this work if you woke up at the right time on your own?
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You don't have to use alarm clock.  In fact I never do since I always wake up multiple times during my sleep.  For best result though you may want to get out of your bed and stay awake for a few minutes.  

Originally Posted by Sydney:
I know that happened to me too.. except I fell asleep on the first rep in the second cycle lol.
Hate it when that happens. Didn't get lucid though.
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I suggest you stay awake a bit longer before doing the exercise.  You will also want to be a bit more "diligent" while cycling through the senses.  For example, try a little harder to pick up things in the dark...  

Originally Posted by dakotahnok:
No not at all! As long as people are getting lucid, I am happy. just wondering, when did I ever say it was bad?:


Yes, that is correct. But after reading through the thread again I decided to change that thought. When I first posted I said this works and it probably isn't a placebo. Now I'm saying I think it's a placebo, but I'm not sure yet. I have been practicing it since it came out but stopped a couple of days ago. My MILD works much better. :


A placebo can have a good amount of success. That's the thing with lucid dreaming, it's almost all intent which is why placebo's work so well. And the fact that the thread is getting positive feed back is just making the placebo er. I'm not saying it IS a placebo, I'm just saying we shouldn't be so quick to rule that out.

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While I can't explain exactly why it works, I am confident it is not placebo.  On the China based forum, I've collected thousands of success stories, all happened within 8 months, and quite a few people managed to learn to induce LDs at will using SSILD with near 100% success rate.  It does take time and practice to master though... so it is still not as easy and idiot-proof as I want it to be... hopefully we can further improve it.  

Originally Posted by rynkrt3:
Been trying this since it came out... no results.
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While you were doing this, were you experiencing the "trance"?  The trance is the state when your mind begins to wander... you occasionally forget to continue the exercise, and when your thoughts come back you no longer remember how many cycles you have done or at what step you become lost.  If you are not experiencing this then you are not doing the exercise correctly.  Another possibility is lack of mental effort... I need to know more details about how you did your exercise in order to help you analyze.  

Originally Posted by mutualdreamer:
I did everything perfect and was undisturbed but I still didn't get lucid Dx. I told myself to wake up after 5 hours, woke up at some time, used bathroom, got water, did 5 cycles, fell asleep in good time, had normal dream .

Tonight I will try not getting up at all and see if it goes better then.
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Did you have trouble falling asleep afterward?