主题:Senses Initiated Lucid Dream (Ssild) Ld4AllWell then, that boosts my mood up a lot! I'll try setting an alarm and doing this again tonight and post back on here in the morning. If I see or feel anything intense or vivid, I'll hold on to it like you said. I didn't know it was as easy as doing an RC when it gets intense enough. Thank you for the help!
Current LD goal(s): Being lucid.
ParanoiDave wrote:
Update...
I wasn't able to fully do the technique. I set my alarm for the usual time, which last night was close to 4 1/2 hrs after going to sleep.
When I tried to do the technique, I ran through the steps only twice, and for some reason, I told myself "I think it's working..." and just fell back asleep. I end up doing this with a lot of techniques. I don't know why. Maybe it's because I'm tired.
No recall... At all.
I AM going to try this again tonight. In fact, I'm going to try until I can induce a lucid dream.
I had a quick question though:
I was thinking about using Melatonin tonight before I went to bed. I haven't used a dreaming supplement yet. Do you think taking a supplement along with using this technique would be useful or have no effect?
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Please take a look at the reply I gave to Lief. Many of the answers apply to you as well
I think you were right that you may have been too tired for this to work. Two repetitions then fell asleep usually is not enough. Also it's usually better if you get out of your bed for at least 5 minutes before doing the exercise.
I suggest you not to mix the exercise with other techniques... at least not until you have experienced some success. Certain techniques are just not compatible!
So you suggest getting up for a couple minutes? I thought I recalled earlier that you said even moving the slightest muscles could possibly wake you up too much..
Current LD goal(s): Being lucid.
Lief wrote:
Well then, that boosts my mood up a lot! I'll try setting an alarm and doing this again tonight and post back on here in the morning. If I see or feel anything intense or vivid, I'll hold on to it like you said. I didn't know it was as easy as doing an RC when it gets intense enough. Thank you for the help!
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You see, each of the 3 steps by themselves is a traditional WILD technique. Staring at hypnogogic imagery is a very typical way to generate a WILD. Once you start seeing things, focusing on them will increase their intensity. As the picture becomes intense (especially when it becomes animated), it's time to do an RC and get up. Doing this usually results in an OBE. You can also wait a bit longer, and then try to reach out to the scene such as grabbing something from it. This will put you right into an LD. Waiting yet longer the scene might actually envelope you and automatically forms a dream around you. This of course, is not recommended because you may get too excited during this process and cause the sensation to go away.
The SILD cycling, compared to the individual technique, has the advantage of moving you deeper to the trance a lot more quickly and causes less stress. I have to emphasis again though -- do NOT go after the sensations deliberately! If it happens it happens, but do not go after them!
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Lief wrote:
So you suggest getting up for a couple minutes? I thought I recalled earlier that you said even moving the slightest muscles could possibly wake you up too much..
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After you wake up from the alarm, you should get up and stay awake for 5 mintues. Some people don't want to do this because that may cause them difficulty to fall back to sleep. You should experiment.
The "not moving a single muscle" is from a different technique, LOL! While doing SILD you should feel as comfortable as possible, and if that means moving a bit then by all means do it! If you hava an itch then feel free to scratch! While feeling body sensations you can even move your fingers using muscles (that's basically the FILD method). SILD is very forgiving
Will do
Current LD goal(s): Being lucid.
Cosmic.iron,
This may be connected or unconnected from this technique, but how do I keep my cool while experiencing Sleep Paralysis? This is one aspect which I think I fear. Is there any possibility of minimising effects of Sleep Paralysis and yet, able to enter a dream, fully lucid? I am easily experiencing SP almost every night but FEAR is what prevents me from experiencing it. I think, if I am able to conquer this aspect of mine then I ll be able to experience full lucid dreams.
Note: Yesterday while going to sleep, tried ur technique, although did only one round. Woke up in the middle of the night (Around 3:00 AM when its usually my REM period) with strange sounds and numbness in the body. though couldn't remember any dreams. This technique looks promising. Hope you ll post more techniques to our benefit.
Thanks.
This method be used without the 4-5hrs of sleep? Also if I were to awake 4-5 hrs into my night how long do I need to be awake untill using this method. All in all I'm excited to go home and try it, I think I'll use it as my primary when I initially go to sleep, I work nights so I don't know if that might enhance it.
lucky1990 wrote:
Cosmic.iron,
This may be connected or unconnected from this technique, but how do I keep my cool while experiencing Sleep Paralysis? -------
SP is nothing to be afraid of. For us LDers it's actually a blessing. Of course, if you experience SPs frequently then it's probably a health issue. You might need to improve your physical condition as well as adjusting your schedules.
One more thing to note: do not mistaken OBE sensations with SP. It is not unusual to get an OBE when doing SILD. When that happens you will experience vibrations, ringing noises, falling sensations, and etc. Don't be afraid. It means you are succeeding!
Synergy86 wrote:
This method be used without the 4-5hrs of sleep? Also if I were to awake 4-5 hrs into my night how long do I need to be awake untill using this method. All in all I'm excited to go home and try it, I think I'll use it as my primary when I initially go to sleep, I work nights so I don't know if that might enhance it.
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Without 4-5 hours of sleep the method will not work very well. In general, 5 to 10 minutes staying awake should be enough. Any longer than that may cause difficulty to fall back sleep. I personally just get up to empty the bladder, then go back to bed immediately.
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report cosmic.iron! Huge success!
This has been my first lucid dream in a long time.
Tough my situation was kinda strange, in that I almost skipped a night the day before, then I only slept from 4am to 8:45am and got up for class. After that, I got back to my place at 4pm and just went to sleep again, by accident. Not sure at what time I began sleeping but it was at least later than 4:30pm and I woke up by 7:30pm. Then I eventually went to sleep about at 2:30am.
This is where the quest begins, as I went to sleep because I was kinda tired. I lay in my favorite position for comfort, and while I had completely forgotten about SILD, I noticed that my eyes weren't really "seeing" anything. Yes, my eyes saw absolutely nothing. It wasn't darkness, but then it became so when I noticed it. Then I realized I was seeing nothing with my mind, not with my eyes per se. This realization for some reason made the sight go back to normal and then I was watching my closed eyelids, and that's what made me recall SILD. I decided to do it, and that it was better to ignore the eyes as I had accidentally done the eyes part, or so I thought. For some reason, I just felt like moving on to breathing, because I could. Then I almost dozed off, but noticed I was once again seeing with my mind, but this time it was a dream image that I was interacting with using dream hands. I often think of this when I go to sleep, but the realization that it was there broke it.
I was now uncomfortable, and thought, as much as I shouldn't move for the falling asleep value, I wanted to be comfortable, as SILD stresses that above all. Also I just wanted to. I switched position, and then focused on noises. I heard normal ambient sound, tough nothing in particular or nothing interesting. I planned on doing more repetitions, but I fell asleep during the sound one.
Now I was in the dream, and it felt real time, tough I was not lucid, it was just a dream. Thing is, I did not recall this as if I slept and then woke up with a random memory out of nowhere from waking up (what bad recall usually manifests itself as) Instead, it's like my conciousness stream went from awake > dream > wake up. So going one I eventually realize the dream is a dream, tough not sure how, I do. I do not wish to go into to many details about the dream in this long enough post, but will skim over it. I decide to use my newfound freedom and power to explore the world, but then the dream develops a plot and someone wants to catch me. I fear that if I am caught something bad will happen to the dream world (which is nonsense) or that it would wake me up. So while I still retain weak lucidity, I run from my pursuers, who anyway either find me or are alerted of my doings by the citizens of my dream. I still keep my lucidity, reminding me I am dreaming, and mostly trying to escape by way of mirrors, but am always interrupted. There was a moment where I felt the dream was really long and I wanted it to end, as much as I realized it was a ridiculous statement. Mostly because I had fear of not recalling clearly the many events that happened in this seemingly super long dream. There was a moment when I might have almost lost lucidity, or maybe I did, don't know but then woke up by a snore of myself. I was still in the dream mindset, so I checked if it was a false awakening while realizing the vast difference between this weak but long dream and waking life. After confirming my waking status, I was still kinda doubting if I was awake, but eventually got convinced because of the vast difference in sensations and my constant room plus lack of powers and reality checks. So I then try to chain dreams but since I already moved a bit after waking up I think it failed. Or maybe my REM was pretty long alright. Also after having woken up my body felt kinda numb.
But overall success! I will continue to try this wonderful thecnique.
And for anyone who asks, I'm no expert, but I think the most important thing in this technique is to fall asleep comfortably!
Current LD goal(s): achieving a steady sleep schedule, then getting proper dream recall
Success!
3rd night or better to say morning was a success! Ok, here's the story:
I wasn't actually going for WBTB because like I said in post where I was keeping my progress that I need to work on my DR so my first awakening was around 6 am and I was awake only a minute or so and then I did only one repetition of SILD. Next awakening was around 8:30am and then I did like 3 or 4 repetitions but also without waking up entirely or getting up.
After that I started to hear voices, that was very close to a WILD but I just let myself to fall asleep. Next thing I know I was looking at my bedroom window, it was a classical FA, it was so realistic but again I heard some voices but I knew that this can't be true because I was alone in the house and on my window I saw this. Then I knew for sure that this was a dream because I can only see a sky and part of the roof from my bed where I was laying. Then I did a RC and I had 7 fingers and the story goes on...
After that LD I awake again but then I thought I could just chain this dream with another so I remain still and I just let myself to fall asleep and I was again in another LD.
So I have one question. Even though SILD is very similar to WILD until the part where you fall asleep one thing I don't understand. You said that by doing SILD we prepare ourselves to have LD later... How exactly we prepare ourselves?! My initial thought was similar to situation where WILD fails, we were still keeping some level of consciousness on our body sensations or hearing and then we could realize that what happened next is a dream. But in SILD we fall asleep very fast so what kind of preparation do we actually do by doing SILD!?
Oh and it WORKS! Thanks man!
Current LD goal(s): #Find/Meet Dream Guide#
dB_FTS wrote:
But in SILD we fall asleep very fast so what kind of preparation do we actually do by doing SILD!? -------
Glad it worked for you
As for your question, I honest do not have the answer. It's just through hundreds of case studies we find that doing these simple repetitions combined with fast falling asleep somehow result in dramatic increase in OBE, DILD, and FA afterwards, all without requiring great effort. There are a lot of speculations on why it works but, well, they are just speculations
Haha, who would say...
Well I'm glad too. I was just surprised because I can't think any real reason why this should work... Like I said I would understand if it was a WILD in question but this...
Ahh it works and that's what matters, happy dreaming!
Current LD goal(s): #Find/Meet Dream Guide#
OddDreamingDreamer wrote:
And for anyone who asks, I'm no expert, but I think the most important thing in this technique is to fall asleep comfortably!
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OddDreamingDreamer, the advice you gave in the above quote definitely hits the bull's-eye!
Okay, I attempted this with a nap (even though I'm not good with naps) and I was EXTREMELY close to a LD, in fact the closest I personally think I've ever been. I pretty much performed a WILD using these steps, and it put me in such a trance that I quickly saw a dreamscape forming before me; a very vivid and colorful forest. Either that or it was very detailed HI, I couldn't tell the difference.
Unfortunately, excitement got the best of me, and I snapped out of it.
Anyway, I had yet another quick question:
When you say to "find the most comfortable position," does that mean it is alright to change position after performing the reps, or am I supposed to stay in that position and fall asleep? I was confused when attempting it during a nap because I loved the feeling of the trance I was in and I didn't want to ruin it. I performed the reps on my back but I usually sleep on one of my sides.
Current LD goal(s): Question my subconscious
I've tried this technique and I've advanced a lot.
When I looked at my eyebrows with my eyes closed I started to feel weightless, so I began to focus on my body feelings. Then I started to feel like I was swimming in the air.
I was so tired that I fell asleep afterwards. And when I woke up the first thing I did was to write my "trick" in my DJ.
I have to say that this technique is the best I've tried for a beginner like me.
Current LD goal(s): Fly among the clouds.
Hello all, first post:
So I'm adapting to polyphasic sleep and learning LD at the same time. I started 3 days ago, napping every 2 hours, 20-40 minute naps (oversleep at least once a day). During this time I experienced my first WILD, and I'm not exactly sure what I did to make it work ... I'd been reading on the technique and it just worked; I was completely lucid as I rode a shopping cart around the grocery store and used the power of my mind to influence the actions of all the people there.
Since then, no success. I am extremely comfortable with sleep paralysis, have extensive meditative experience, and find that the one thing that's bothering me is saliva in my mouth ... this isn't something I notice while sitting, but laying down it feels like I might choke. Suggestions?
Back to the topic: The reason I am commenting is that this technique is similar to meditative techniques I've been taught where one scans the body from head to toe, observing all sensations (visual, auditorial, and touch-sense). To answer the person who asked about the body-scan, I recommend thinking about touching every surface on your body with an area roughly 5cm in diameter (smaller will take a long time), starting either at the head or the feet and working your way to the opposite end. If you find that you are able to scan the body quickly, try working with a smaller focus area - maybe 2cm in diameter instead? (I think in terms of fingertips, and usually work at 2 fingertips width starting from the head and working to the toes). Don't forget the skin behind the ears, the ridges within the ears, the armpits, the parts of the body that are against the surface on the ground, behind the knees, and the skin between the fingers and the toes.
I'm going to try this technique in 1h, then every 2h after that. I'll post in the morning to keep from clogging the forum : )
Current LD goal(s): gain lucidity
ParanoiDave wrote:
When you say to "find the most comfortable position," does that mean it is alright to change position after performing the reps, or am I supposed to stay in that position and fall asleep? I was confused when attempting it during a nap because I loved the feeling of the trance I was in and I didn't want to ruin it. I performed the reps on my back but I usually sleep on one of my sides.
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ParanoiDave, it is okay to change positions. In fact that's what I normally do. I like to sleep on my left side. When I'm working on the exercise I lay flat, then upon finish I roll to the left side so I can quickly fall asleep. It is important that you feel comfortable in either position though.
Zzz wrote:
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Thank you Zzz, glad it helps. When you felt you were swimming, which actually happens quite commonly among people, you should have stopped the repetition and focused on increasing that sensation. My own experience is when this swimming sensation occurs, it will eventually rock you back and forth so hard that you literally get ejected out of your body! Very cool trick!
thebotanyofsouls wrote:To answer the person who asked about the body-scan, I recommend thinking about touching every surface on your body with an area roughly 5cm in diameter-------
Thanks thebotanyofsouls, the advice you gave on how to scan for body sensations is very useful!
I came across something quite interesting the other day while reading a book. its a induction for hypnosis that came about quite sometime ago by the wife of one of the most famous hypnotists around, betty erickson. For the most part you focus on visual, audio, touch a few times similar to sild, but first you focus on external factors. The shirt on your back for touch, something you hear, back of your eyelids or object if eyes are open, then move onto internal, see something you imagine, feel something you imagine, hear something you imagine. Thought it might give you a few ideas on improving or perfecting your sild method. I am sure you can find more info about it on google if you are interested.
sungodd, I already mentioned that technique in this thread.
cosmic.iron wrote:
My own experience is when this swimming sensation occurs, it will eventually rock you back and forth so hard that you literally get ejected out of your body! Very cool trick!
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This is exactly what happened to me last night although I wasn't doing SILD, it was just luck, I guess.
Quick question, what if you fall asleep during the repetitions? Is that a problem or does it only depend on how many repetitions I was able to make before falling asleep?
mattias wrote:
cosmic.iron wrote:
My own experience is when this swimming sensation occurs, it will eventually rock you back and forth so hard that you literally get ejected out of your body! Very cool trick!
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This is exactly what happened to me last night although I wasn't doing SILD, it was just luck, I guess.
Quick question, what if you fall asleep during the repetitions? Is that a problem or does it only depend on how many repetitions I was able to make before falling asleep?It's perfectly okay to fall asleep while doing it . Although it probably means you are too tired, and that could have an impact on the result.
Well, my adaptation continues, slowly. I can tell my circadian rhythm is being broken up, and I am starting to REALLY crave naps at certain times of the day (like now).
but I still can't get SILD/WILD down. Here's the standard experience (they are all unique, but this is the common trend)
lay down. relax tension from my jaw, from my shoulders, from my hips, from my feet. focus on the back of my eyelids for 1 breath, then listen to sounds for 1 breath, then observe sensation throughout the body for one breath. Repeat this cycle with 2 breaths, three breaths, four breaths, so on. By four breaths per sense I am "comfortably numb"/experiencing mild sleep paralysis, and I continue on. Thoughts will come in, I bring my attention back to the breath and then continue the cycle where I left off. By 6-8 breaths per sense I am fully paralyzed, observing steady tingling sensations, and there is 0 hypnagogic imagery behind my eyelids - just pretty colors. I hear a high pitched ringing noise, but it's not overwhelming. my senses will begin to draw inward for a second, but snap back out with the next breath ... this goes on and on until my alarm rings and I got very little rest.
Suggestions on how to get from there to the senses draw inward/hypnagogic imagery/crazy ringing sound/amazing vibratory sensations?
Current LD goal(s): gain lucidity
My feeling is you are doing it too rhythmically. Don't count the breathe. You don't want precise timing. The idea is to do it in the most relaxed manner... let your mind drift... Even though the duration of each repetition does not need to be the same -- as you drift away the later repetitions might take seem forever LOL, you don't want this intentional shorter-to-longer progression.
About the various sensations, if they happen vividly then you should pause and focus on increasing them. Ignore the minor ones though! The idea of SILD is to prep your mind/body for phase entrance AFTER you fall asleep. WILD during the repetition stage is only a side-effect and should not be sought after. Do SILD in the most relaxed manner, don't spend too much time. Let's it do wonders for you after you fall asleep. SILD should not cause you sleeless nights. If it does, then you are changing it to a different technique. Hope this helps.
That helps a lot actually : ) I'll let go of the counting idea and just let my attention go between the three main areas of sensory input. More to come!
Current LD goal(s): gain lucidity
cosmic.iron wrote:Interesting question! When I wrote "head to toe" I wasn't really being literal... but you did raise a very valid question and your findings might have some significance! I'll go back to my forum and ask them to do some experiment on this.
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An update regarding this...
I think it's not so much the order in which you do it (going from head to toe, from toe to head or whatever) but just finishing the cycle appropriatly...
It for me feels more natural to treat the head as the final point so when I reached my head for me the cycle was finished...wich caused me to fall asleep deeper...
The head to toe failed for me because I didn't see my toes as an (appropriate) end point...so that when I reached my toe it didn't feel like I finished the cycle...
But last night it did work...it doesn't even matter which point you choose for that matter...as long as you treat that point as the final point (and so reaching it finishes the cycle) it seems to work...
So it is more something like: Everytime when I reach point X (f.e. head) --> Cycle finished --> Fall asleep deeper...
I see it is used in a self-hypnosis technique too...I guess that is what actually is going on...lol...
I hope I explained it clear enough...if not...say so and I will give it another try...
hey! i've read this thread and tried SILD out this night and it worked! the result was one DILD, medium-lucidity. i woke up in a middle of the night and did the 3 exercises for two times.then i fell asleep. i had those strange dreams, I've seen a few aurora borealis in the air, and i thought this is strange, i live in Slovenia, aurora borealis does not appear here. so i did a RC and it worked
definety gonna try this again tonight! thanks for the technique and welcome to the forum!
Current LD goal(s): have as many as possible
thebotanyofsouls wrote:
By 6-8 breaths per sense I am fully paralyzed, observing steady tingling sensations, and there is 0 hypnagogic imagery behind my eyelids - just pretty colors.
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These pretty colors are probably hypnagogic imagery, but just the early stages. You usually start out with colors and patterns which then start turning into more defined shapes and then full scenes.
And ok, I guess I should try to find a balance between falling asleep during the process and taking long to fall asleep after ir . I ended up trying it a bit this morning, but I mixed in some MILD too. Plus I did a WBTB and ate a banana, so all of those might have helped my lucidity (I didn't wake up right away, so that's cool!).
mattias wrote:
thebotanyofsouls wrote:
By 6-8 breaths per sense I am fully paralyzed, observing steady tingling sensations, and there is 0 hypnagogic imagery behind my eyelids - just pretty colors.
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These pretty colors are probably hypnagogic imagery, but just the early stages. You usually start out with colors and patterns which then start turning into more defined shapes and then full scenes.
And ok, I guess I should try to find a balance between falling asleep during the process and taking long to fall asleep after ir . I ended up trying it a bit this morning, but I mixed in some MILD too. Plus I did a WBTB and ate a banana, so all of those might have helped my lucidity (I didn't wake up right away, so that's cool!).mattias, so it worked! Yes, mixing in MILD and WBTB will definitely increase your chance with SILD, or you could say vice versa, LOL.
I ended up trying a bit more MILD/SILD and when I got to the hearing part I heard music vividly . I've heard HH music many times but I never enter a dream with it, I guess it's because it's not that simple to associate it to a dream scene. So this time I realized that and stoped focusing on the music and imagined the sound of my hands rubbing and hitting a surface, and I entered a LD from there
I'll keep trying this mixture of MILD and SILD plus WBTB whenever I can/remember, since I bet more practice will give me even better results.
So, I thought I'd check in and post my progress.
I think I'm using the WILD technique more than SILD, although I am very aware of the sensations within my body and check in with it very regularly (not counting breaths though - thanks for that tidbit!) as I go about this.
Last night I had the most intense not-quite-step through experience I've had since my first WILD! I was taking one of my late night naps (1am) and I was listening to a sleep induction track (gnAural has a couple of powernap tracks that work well for learning to nap), and the colors were just SO BRIGHT! I kept feeling lighter, and lighter, and the world outside just felt less and less distinct, and wow, the pretty colors ...
and then I was looking at my hands. I made them do a tai chi holding ball in the space, had a smile (not sure if I actually smiled) and then the wake-up cycle started, so I let it go.
Excited to get back to that place though! I think I'm making progress. gnAural has by far aided my progress in learning to nap, and thus make it deeper into SP and experiencing hypnagogia. Highly recommended - I made a 20 minute nap track for it, and if napping is a skill you'd like to learn, PM me and I'll send you the link for it.
FYI mattias, I wish I could click like on your avatar : )
Current LD goal(s): gain lucidity
Tried it and was successful! Just woke up minutes ago and had to rush and post this.
Current LD goal(s): Meeting my dream guide at a campfire.
@ShaneTheShaman and @zziga, glad it worked. Please post more details when you have time as the experience will help us further improve the technique! Thank you!
Just one question, when you say to scan your body, do you mean to stay in a still position and feel the senses on your hands and toes, or do you actually wiggle your toes and move your hands?
Current LD goal(s): Meeting my dream guide at a campfire.
shane - your goal is to obtain sleep paralysis. when paralyzed, moving is either difficult (shallow paralysis) or requires all your willpower just to twitch your finger (deep paralysis). during this whole time you are scanning your body ...
keep it still buddy. use the jedi powers of your mind that the Great Pastamonster gave you.
what I do is imagine a single fingertip touching every piece of exposed skin (as a meditative exercise), then go through and scan all my muscles, ligaments, and tendons the same way, then my bones, then my organs, then all the stuff that's not corporeal, then repeat the cycle. if you try to go through that whole thing while sleeping you won't sleep, but you could take a much broader surface area and scan the skin with very little focus required (think 3 fingertips, or the palm of your hand).
fun fact: that meditative exercise, applied for 10 years straight and using increasingly smaller focus points, was how the Buddha finally attained enlightenment - it's called vipassana meditation, and is very useful for beginning and experienced meditators alike.
but this isn't a topic about meditation, it's a topic about dreaming.
My progress: 1 step forward, 3 steps back. I suffered an undesirable setback in my polyphasic adaptation today (that was my own fault) that has made my naps of supremely poor quality. I intend to keep napping through the night and continuing to apply SILD to see if I can achieve another dream body experience.
Current LD goal(s): gain lucidity
ShaneTheShaman wrote:
Just one question, when you say to scan your body, do you mean to stay in a still position and feel the senses on your hands and toes, or do you actually wiggle your toes and move your hands?
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Actually you can do either. Wiggling will probably create better result, but may wake you too much. You need to find what best suits you
thebotanyofsouls wrote:
fun fact: that meditative exercise, applied for 10 years straight and using increasingly smaller focus points, was how the Buddha finally attained enlightenment - it's called vipassana meditation, and is very useful for beginning and experienced meditators alike.
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That's very interesting! I need to check that out!
This technique is great. The first time I used it yesterday I had two lucid dreams in one night (that's super good for me) and a false awakening that I nearly caught. I recalled other more vivid dreams as well. I'm gonna use this again tonight. Thanks!
Current LD goal(s): Create a song in a dream and bring it into the real world.
I finally used this properly and had success with it. After waking up a second time I was able to easily induce a WILD as HI came on during the vision part.
I will say this, it felt a lot like I had been using a relaxation technique. In the end, I think that is what SILD really does. It relaxes your body and mind making active techniques easier, and also adds to your general awareness which seems to help with passive techniques. I'm still not prepared to call this a holy grail or miracle, but I will continue to use it because it does seem to help with very little effort.
I'm sure I'll report back later
Current LD goal(s): Defeat Xander in our lucid duel!
Sounds very interesting. I'll try it tonight and check back tomorrow.
I've had some pretty intense hallucinations (visual, feeling, sound) when using this technique while lying on my back. I'm uncomfortable with the idea of getting into SP as I don't want to have demons sitting on me
So my question is: does this technique require you to lie on your back / does it loose its effectiveness if lying on your side or stomach? For some reason I only expect to get into SP while lying on my back.
Thanks.
thaifly wrote:
So my question is: does this technique require you to lie on your back / does it loose its effectiveness if lying on your side or stomach? For some reason I only expect to get into SP while lying on my back.
Thanks.SPs do not always occur when using SILD so don't fear too much -- it might be a different experience next time. As for your question, it doesn't matter what position you use to sleep. Just use one that's comfortable, but not so comfortable that you fall asleep right away without completing at least a few cycles.
Rhewin wrote:
I finally used this properly and had success with it. After waking up a second time I was able to easily induce a WILD as HI came on during the vision part.
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Glad it worked, Rhewin. Your observation makes a lot of sense. I look forward to hear more your feedbacks.
I just tried this, three hours after having slept six hours. I laid in bed on my back (I'm curious if I should be on my back or just any position most comfortable to me) and I did what you said. My body will always immediately start to vibrate and feel heavy. I can't progress it myself but I can feel it start to progress. I also noticed after going throu my senses rotation about 3 times that i was getting a light ringing in my ears and it started to seem like it was getting louder. I also noticed what seemed like fading in patterns that started to appear a dark bolded white. Which might just be my brain playing tricks on me. This was about 5 rotations in maybe 4. Then I coughed a whole bunch due to having the flu recently and now I'm wide awake.
but I'm curious if those are good signs that I'm on the right track. I figure the vibrations are but I'm afraid that the others are just tricks from my mind. And should I like refuse to open my eyes at all costs? Cause I keep getting strange light paralysis sensations that make me think I'm asleep and I open my eyes and I'm awake
Current LD goal(s): To Have LD's more often.
This method sounds great, going to try it shortly.
Current LD goal(s): To have my first long and vivid lucid dream.
Does it work to if you have a nap before you go to sleep cause i don 't think i can set my alarm just for a chance to have a LD cause it will make everbody angry but i might try it if i wake up in the night after 4 hours (which i most of the time do). and can i do it to if i'm not tired at night?
Current LD goal(s): getting one :| [x] getting a clear LD [ ]
Spiering98 wrote:
Does it work to if you have a nap before you go to sleep cause i don 't think i can set my alarm just for a chance to have a LD cause it will make everbody angry but i might try it if i wake up in the night after 4 hours (which i most of the time do). and can i do it to if i'm not tired at night?
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I personally never use an alarm since I always need to get up for the bathroom at night. So yes, you can do this any time you get up at night naturally. Not too sure about your question regarding the nap... Do you mind re-phrase your question?
I think he meant to ask if it's possible to do the technique after a nap.
I tried this last night. Used autosuggestion and set up an alarm to wake me up after 5 hours of sleep. Obviously I was too tired and fell asleep before I could question my senses.
Current LD goal(s): To have my first long and vivid lucid dream.
cosmic.iron wrote:
Not too sure about your question regarding the nap... Do you mind re-phrase your question?
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so before i go to sleep i get like some sleep and then i go to bed for real
Current LD goal(s): getting one :| [x] getting a clear LD [ ]
I tried this for the past few nights. I did not end up having any LD's, but that kind of makes me wonder if I was doing anything wrong. I tried it during WBTB, but I didn't get past the first paying attention to what I was seeing part. I generally fall asleep very quickly; I can lose consciousness in a matter of minutes, or even seconds if I'm really tired. So as soon as I tried, I fell asleep straight away within the first 10 seconds.
So, the next night I tried to get myself to be more awake during the WBTB. I simply sat up and opened my eyes and looked around for about a minute. But when I tried to SILD, I got interesting results. As soon as I finished the first set, I got a roll over signal so extreme it was almost painful. I tried to ride it out but it was so powerful that I couldn't continue to SILD and just focused on staying still. But even then, the signal kept getting er, and it felt like every muscle in my body was on fire and the intensity would just increase if I didn't roll over. So, eventually I gave in.
I tried again, this time lying on my side. I got to 3 sets before the roll over signal came again. So I tried moving my legs a little when I needed to in order to satisfy the signal and then continuing the sets. That didn't work either, because while my body stopped screaming to move, my mind was far too awake to fall asleep afterwards.
Any advice on what I should do differently?
gemini.moon wrote:Any advice on what I should do differently?
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1. Sounds to me you are falling asleep way too fast, LOL. I suggest you to either get up after six hours sleep or stay awake for at least 5-10 minutes before you start SILD.
2. The sensation you felt is the typical phenomenon experienced when your body attempts to fall asleep when it detects long period of immobility. When you stay immobile for a while, your body, assuming it is sufficiently tird, will attempt to go to sleep. In order to make sure your mind is already asleep (as a safety measure perhaps), the body sends out a very signal literally shouting "I'm uncomfortable!". If you respond to it by rolling or other movement then your body will seize to go to sleep; otherwise you body falls asleep and you experience some very strange sensations as it does that. This is in fact a very effective way to WILD but it requires an iron will and takes a long time to accomplish.
When the above happens, it's always a good indication that you are doing SILD in a wrong way. SILD does not require you to stay still. You should be as comfortable as possible! If you feel an itch, just scratch it. If you want to roll, do it! Just do a couple of extra repetitions to compensate for the interruption will be enough.
last night i went to try the WILD it didn't worked but it got really cool cause i knew my hands were touching eachother but it felt like they were in a impossble possition but after that i was like, i'll try SILD and look if it can work without waking up and going back to sleep. i repeated this mantra to: I will wake up after a dream. i woke up and i picked up my dream journal. i had a strange feeling about this but i was thinking about what i dreamed and i saw it in letters in front of me. Then family members sat on the wall and on my bed near me. and were asking stupid questions. This was a False awakening i think then. Does this mean the SILD worked with the mantra?
Current LD goal(s): getting one :| [x] getting a clear LD [ ]
I'm very happy with this techinque so far, even though it hasn't induced a lucid dream (though I've only been able to "successfully attempt" it twice due to being too tired), but I need some advice.
Both times I attempted it, I did the 4-5 repetitions, remained as calm as possible, and then after finishing the technique I tried to go to sleep. But I couldn't. I got in my usual comfortable sleeping position. About 30 minutes went by (I didn't bother looking). I didn't fall asleep. I wasn't thinking about going to sleep, which usually keeps me up. I just let my mind go, trying to go to sleep in my usual way, which takes less than 10 minutes usually.
I attempted this after sleeping for 4 hours too, not at the beginning of sleep.
Any advice?
Current LD goal(s): Question my subconscious